Pre Jamie Pollard versus Now

[cy1225]

"Rabbit out of the Hat" let's see. Morgan had us in the Final 4 of the NIT in his first year and in the second round of the NCAA Tournamanet in his 2nd.
McDermott ?

[isucyfan]

"Rabbit out of the Hat" let's see. Morgan had us in the Final 4 of the NIT in his first year and in the second round of the NCAA Tournamanet in his 2nd.
McDermott ?

That's obvious...and there are reasons WM could be more successful faster. He had lots of talent left for him...GM didn't.

But my question was would JP have hired a better qualified HC than BVDV did at that time?

[cy1225]

That's obvious...and there are reasons WM could be more successful faster. He had lots of talent left for him...GM didn't.

But my question was would JP have hired a better qualified HC than BVDV did at that time?

I am not sure he hired a better qualified coach this time?

[isucyfan]

I am not sure he hired a better qualified coach this time?

That's yet to be determined, but I have always wondered why in the world a Big 12 school couldn't have done better than hiring a losing coach from Long Beach State.

It worked out for a while, but a school like ISU should have been able to get someone with a better resume under any circumstances, IMO.

[cycloneworld]

Why couldn't BVDV get someone better than Morgan whose previous HC experience was a lackluster one at Long Beach State?

I know no one wanted to touch the program at the time, but JP has shown the ability to "pull a rabbit out of his hat" with the GC hiring, and GM hiring. Maybe he could have pulled off a better hiring.

Steve McClain turned us down. As did Lebo from Tennessee Tech. McClain was fired at Wyoming and Lebo took the Auburn job and really struggled his first 3 years going 14-17 (4-12) in his first year, 12-16 (4-12) in his second year, 17-15 (7-9) in his third and is currently 14-13 (4-10) this year. Those are 2 coaches who publically turned us down.

A coach from Tennessee Tech turned down an offer to be the coach of a Big 12 school. One that just a few years ago was coming off back to back conference championships. That's saying something about the state of the program a few years ago.

Thankfully, I don't think that would EVER happen today, mostly thanks to JP and McDermott running a clean program.

[cy1225]

That's yet to be determined, but I have always wondered why in the world a Big 12 school couldn't have done better than hiring a losing coach from Long Beach State.

It worked out for a while, but a school like ISU should have been able to get someone with a better resume under any circumstances, IMO.

See that is part of the problem. Twist the facts and perception becomes reality.

First WM was not a losing coach at LB in fact he won nearly 58% of his games including taking the team to the NCAA Tournament. Second by retaining Morgan the roster stayed intact, you can see what has happened now, with a depleted roster it could be 4 or 5 years before the program gets back to where it was with WM in his first 2 years.

I personally thought Wayne deserved another year and mosy likely he would have won 20 games.

[cy1225]

Steve McClain turned us down. As did Lebo from Tennessee Tech. McClain was fired at Wyoming and Lebo took the Auburn job and really struggled his first 3 years going 14-17 (4-12) in his first year, 12-16 (4-12) in his second year, 17-15 (7-9) in his third and is currently 14-13 (4-10) this year. Those are 2 coaches who publically turned us down.

A coach from Tennessee Tech turned down an offer to be the coach of a Big 12 school. One that just a few years ago was coming off back to back conference championships. That's saying something about the state of the program a few years ago.

Thankfully, I don't think that would EVER happen today, mostly thanks to JP and McDermott running a clean program.

You have bad information. McClain was never offered the ISU job and Lebo was at Tenn Chatanooga. Seemed like Auburn had no problem hiring him. How is Jeter doing this year? Terrible they are talking about firing him.

[cycloneworld]

See that is part of the problem. Twist the facts and perception becomes reality.

First WM was not a losing coach at LB in fact he won nearly 58% of his games including taking the team to the NCAA Tournament.

Ummm...you might want to get your facts straight before calling out someone else for their facts.

Here is Wayne's record at LBST:
Long Beach State1996-97 - 13-14 9-7
Long Beach State1997-98 - 10-19 5-11
Long Beach State1998-99 - 13-15 9-7
Long Beach State1999-00 - 24-61 5-1 NIT 1st Round
Long Beach State2000-01 - 18-13 10-6
Long Beach State2001-02 - 13-17 7-7

[DaddyMac]

"Rabbit out of the Hat" let's see. Morgan had us in the Final 4 of the NIT in his first year and in the second round of the NCAA Tournamanet in his 2nd.
McDermott ?

LE had us in the Elite 8, 2 conference regular seasons, 1 conf tourney, NIT.

And the moron before JP fired him.

What did WM do that final year when he didn't have LE players Homan and Sullivan on the squad?

[kingcy]

Its about moving foward. Morgan did a good job at ISU, but had shortfalls. Its like you or me if your boss doesnt like you he is going to make you life hell or fire you. As for the other coaches yes they are good people but once again they are hired to win and if they are not doing that it is time to move on, just like if you dont do your job you will be asked to step aside. From what I know Pollard has paid the coaches he fired a nice little sum. The program is in the news more, making more money, and getting upgraded. We have a leader now. It just will take sometime to get everything in place.

[cy1225]

Ummm...you might want to get your facts straight before calling out someone else for their facts.

Here is Wayne's record at LBST:
Long Beach State1996-97 - 13-14 9-7
Long Beach State1997-98 - 10-19 5-11
Long Beach State1998-99 - 13-15 9-7
Long Beach State1999-00 - 24-61 5-1 NIT 1st Round
Long Beach State2000-01 - 18-13 10-6
Long Beach State2001-02 - 13-17 7-7

I was referring to conference games and yes his win % was better than 60%.
Non-conference is difficult to gauge because mid-majors play a lot of non conference games on the road with BCS conferences for money.

[DaddyMac]

I was referring to conference games and yes his win % was better than 60%.
Non-conference is difficult to gauge because mid-majors play a lot of non conference games on the road with BCS conferences for money.

Oh, well how about we just count games where his team scored more points than the other team.

He then has a staggering 100% winning percentage.

[cycloneworld]

I was referring to conference games and yes his win % was better than 60%.
Non-conference is difficult to gauge because mid-majors play a lot of non conference games on the road with BCS conferences for money.

And you said he made the NCAA tournament. Which wasn't true either.

[ISUFan22]

Chizek has not had enough time to get a fair shake.

Psst...it's Chizik. There is no e in Chizik.

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

[CycloneWanderer]

I would rep you for knowing how to spell Chizik, ISUFan22, but it says I have to "spread it around" first : (