Pre Jamie Pollard versus Now

**dukeebear** · 03-02-2008, 06:27 PM

Please don't read this if you think I am just being negative. I just got to thinking of this as I watched my neighbor move (ex track and field coach) and I pay my season football tickets that have gone up in price. I am a season ticket holder for Football, Men's and Women's Basketball, Wrestling and Volleyball. Have been for 10 years. I even travel with the team a lot. I went 11 out of 12 football games. I have been to 3 soon to be 4 away basketball games. I am going to St Louis for wrestling finals.

But, I am about as frustrated as I have ever been as a Cyclone Fan. I am not saying fire Pollard. I think he has done great things with facilities. I am not saying fire coaches. Chizek has not had enough time to get a fair shake.

But, I would rather have 25 wins and year and a coach that likes to get drunk with college chicks.

Football 2004

7-5 Independence Bowl Champs

Football 2007

3-9

Advantage Pre Pollard
Basketball 2004-05 Mens

19-12

Second Round of NCAA

Basketball 2007-08

14-15

Advantage Pre Pollard
Basketball 2004-05 Womens

24-7

Basketball 2007-08

19-9 Comparable because of injuries

Push

Wrestling

2004-05

Nationals 10th
Big 12 2nd

Wrestling

2007-08

Nationals TBD hopefully better than 10th
Big 12 TBD should finish no lower than 2nd

Advantage Pollard

Gymnastics

2004-05

5th in the Nation

2007-08

Struggling

Advantage Pre Pollard

Track and Field

Push

Volleyball

Advantage Pollard

Golf

Push

Soccer

Advantage Pre Pollard

**scottie33** · 03-02-2008, 06:34 PM

I think apart from records, I'd want a coach that is respected by the rest of the Big XII and is respected by the fan base first and foremost. Yes, having a lot of wins is great, but I'd rather want a good image for our university over wins any day.

I think the coaching staff is respected by all the conferences in all sports and it's hard to compare apples and oranges like you are doing. You can't compare Gymnastics because the coach left for more $

**bos** · 03-02-2008, 06:35 PM

Drivel.... Way to soon to compare anything.

**isuno1fan** · 03-02-2008, 06:37 PM

I would honestly say FB is advantage Chiz. This is based on nothing but high hopes and optimism, but anything has to be better than the poor game management we lived through for 12 years.

**Bobber** · 03-02-2008, 06:38 PM

JP's never been afraid to make change. Most of the changes have been made because of non performance.

As far as ticket prices go, we were getting a lot of bang for our buck before. I think the fairest way to look at is compare where we are at for ticket prices relative to the rest of conference and I believe we're still solidly in middle of the pack. If fans are unhappy, they can vote with their pocketbooks and not buy tickets, but you might be accused of being a fair weather fan then...

**HILLCYD** · 03-02-2008, 06:39 PM

How long had coach Mac been here by 2004? HMMM

How many players had left the b-ball program in 04-05?

For telling us how many games you go to you sure like to compare apples to oranges.

**Wesley** · 03-02-2008, 06:43 PM

I have an idea - wait for 2 more years then reevaluate. That is what I keep hearing. Definitely football has made strides when compared to basketball.

**isucy86** · 03-02-2008, 06:43 PM

I would rather have this season than the debacle that was ISU hoops during LE's final years. Even during the Elite 8 & Hampton years- I would say the overall quality of student athlete wasn't to a standard that ISU should aspire to.

The good thing is, it is not an either or proposition. There are quality coaches who do things the right way. I hope G-Mac brings prosperity to ISU hoops, but if not we need to bring in another coach who is a quality person & will bring student-athletes to Ames.

**Angie** · 03-02-2008, 06:48 PM

My husband used to work for a company that would take him to the NCAA tournaments. He happened to be at the tournament in Atlanta in 2002 or 2003 or whenever. He had been at a party and they came back to the hotel, and just so happened to stop at the bar. There was a huge group of people in the corner, being loud and raucous. The one who happened to be the loudest, drunkest, and swearing the most was our very own LE.

While it was very nice of Larry to buy my husband a drink and talk to him, it isn't necessarily the way I feel comfortable with our school being represented. Talking to others about "Tinsley f-ing shaving points" doesn't necessarily give the best image. He was having a good time, which is great, but I think having a coach who is a role model is exceptional. It's the same reason why I liked McCarney, and why I think Chizik seems to be a good fit.

**Bobber** · 03-02-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

I have an idea - wait for 2 more years then reevaltuate. That is what I keep hearing. Definitely football has made strides when compared to basketball.

Actually the win vs loss ratio was 25% for football and we'll be close to 50% on basketball. Less turnover in the football program, but the recruiting class was at the bottom for the Big 12. I'd say the jury is out on fooball as well.

**HILLCYD** · 03-02-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Bobber

Actually the win vs loss ratio was 25% for football and we'll be close to 50% on basketball. Less turnover in the football program, but the recruiting class was at the bottom for the Big 12. I'd say the jury is out on fooball as well.

Can you give me an example of a program in rebuilding mode that the jury isn't out on in the coach's second year?

**JPOP** · 03-02-2008, 06:51 PM

Last time I checked Mr. Pollard did not fire LE. If you think the football and mens basketball program were being lead by the guys that would have gotten us to the next level you are crazy! Wasn't Mr. Pollard the guy that gave coach fennely a lifetime contract. I think you are just bummed your neighbor is moving.

**Angie** · 03-02-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

I have an idea - wait for 2 more years then reevaltuate. That is what I keep hearing. Definitely football has made strides when compared to basketball.

I think that, if you're going to doubt one, you have to doubt the other. Our win ratio was much higher in bball. They're both foundling programs.

I understand people's frustrations, but what's the alternative? We get rid of our coaches again and get a reputation as "that school that cans their coaches every two years"??? We obviously can and should expect more from our coaches, but I believe in guarded optimism.

**cycloneman003** · 03-02-2008, 06:54 PM

pollard is doing a great job, look at season ticket sales, and getting the garbage out of the basketball program, and bringing in mcD

**bos** · 03-02-2008, 06:56 PM

At this point Pollard is my hero. He has created some excitement and brought in some classy coaches. I am happy with our athletic program at the moment. If it doesnt improve in a few years, then I will expect Pollard to make some changes.