Harrison Barnes Poll

Clones85' · 07-11-2008, 01:57 PM

Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, and now Wally Judge (all 5 stars) have all committed to Kansas St which was a much worse program than Iowa State.

UAB has a committment from the number 6 player in the 2009 class. UAB!!

Don't tell me we can't get a kid in our own backyard, with all the advantages we have, b/c he is getting offered by some big time schools. I hate this attitude.

aeroclone · 07-11-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by travman23

We are talking about a guy that is going to be one of THE top recruits in his class when it is all said and done. Some of the top programs in the country are offering him. I would LOVE to see him stay and help ISU but if the kid signs with a Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Texas, Florida, Kentucky, etc. can you really blame Mac or Harrison? No, those schools he'll be in the national spotlight and quite possibly give a boost to his NBA draft stock some day because of it.

I agree with this completely. Even as a huge ISU fan, if I was in his position and could play basketball anywhere I wanted, I would certainly have to think about it. The lure of the national spotlight, big games on TV, plenty of time on ESPN, that would be really hard to ignore. Plus a lot of 18 year old kids are ready to get away from home a bit. Hard to do that when you are still in the same town.

I would love to have him hear, but I'm not going to fault Mac if we don't get him. We just aren't at the point as a program where we belong on the radar of top 10 recruits. If the kid isn't from Ames, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Clones85' · 07-11-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by aeroclone

I agree with this completely. Even as a huge ISU fan, if I was in his position and could play basketball anywhere I wanted, I would certainly have to think about it. The lure of the national spotlight, big games on TV, plenty of time on ESPN, that would be really hard to ignore. Plus a lot of 18 year old kids are ready to get away from home a bit. Hard to do that when you are still in the same town.

I would love to have him hear, but I'm not going to fault Mac if we don't get him. We just aren't at the point as a program where we belong on the radar of top 10 recruits. If the kid isn't from Ames, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

HB appears to be a lock for McDonald's All American. TV Spotlight there. If you are good enough, the camera's will find you. We will be a top 25 team with him. Thus more games on ESPN.

People we won't suck if we have Harrison. I don't know why people don't get this. I keep hearing these comments about how why would he chose us if he could play for Kentucky, Kansas, etc. Well if he chooses us, than we are up there w/ those teams. We would have 2 5 star players on our team and a four star. Fill that in w/ a lot of solid role players and we will be tough

mplscyclone · 07-13-2008, 02:08 PM

[quote=Clones85';537156]Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, and now Wally Judge (all 5 stars) have all committed to Kansas St which was a much worse program than Iowa State.
quote]

Some of this logic is bad. Here is a timeline:

March 23 2006 - Bob Huggins hired as coach of K-State
Fall 2006 - Bill Walker goes to KSU and plays in the 2006-2007 season (native of West Virginia, Bob Huggins has strong recuiting ties there)
2007- Beasley goes to KSU

Bob Huggins was able to get a star from his home state to go to his school. Bill Walker mixed with Huggins being the coach is the reason why Beasley went there. That success leads to Wally Judge, etc.

Those players didn't commit to KSU because everything was done right, and they just loved Manhatten. They did it because of who the coach was.

Bob Huggins is on a WAY different level of recruiting than Mac. Look at those Cincinatti teams that he coached... They always under performed, but they were amazing talent.

You can't say "KSU is a worse program and they got those guys, why can't ISU?" If ISU had Bob Huggins, we would've gotten some high profile players.

Now I'm not saying I'd want Bob Huggins. His players don't graduate and most of his players are punks. Plus, his style of play is more NBA and I really love the college game... Plus there's something about Huggins that's kinda douchey.

CycloneWarrior · 07-13-2008, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, and now Wally Judge (all 5 stars) have all committed to Kansas St which was a much worse program than Iowa State.

UAB has a committment from the number 6 player in the 2009 class. UAB!!

Don't tell me we can't get a kid in our own backyard, with all the advantages we have, b/c he is getting offered by some big time schools. I hate this attitude.

i think michael beasley was committed to UAB for a short time before he committed to kansas state

mplscyclone · 07-13-2008, 02:17 PM

One last thing about the whole Barnes situation:

All of us want him to go here for sure. It's just that it's such a huge let down if you assume you are going to get him and we end up not getting him.

This whole arguement and poll is different if Barnes is the best player in Iowa and he's in your backyard. He'd still get recruited by many schools, but not every single D1 program.

When you are a top 10 type guy, you can't fault ISU's recruiting that much. They are doing everything they can, and if it doesn't workout, I don't think it's a fault of Mac or anyone at ISU.

I think it's awesome that we even have a chance and are in the conversation. If it's any other top 10 player, it'd be much harder to even get the time of day from him.

The fact of the matter is that Barnes decision is not something that anyone has control over other than Barnes. The staff can show him as much love as possible, but he'll have his reasons either way.

The only way your fire Mac or blame him for not getting Barnes is if the staff just took him for granted and didn't put their best effort because they just assumed he'd go here... We all know that isn't the case at all.

mplscyclone · 07-13-2008, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonedefender

i think michael beasley was committed to UAB for a short time before he committed to kansas state

Another thing I forgot to mention is Beasley's former AAU coach being on the KSU staff.....

Clones85' · 07-13-2008, 02:33 PM

[quote=mplscyclone;539006]

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, and now Wally Judge (all 5 stars) have all committed to Kansas St which was a much worse program than Iowa State.
quote]

Some of this logic is bad. Here is a timeline:

March 23 2006 - Bob Huggins hired as coach of K-State
Fall 2006 - Bill Walker goes to KSU and plays in the 2006-2007 season (native of West Virginia, Bob Huggins has strong recuiting ties there)
2007- Beasley goes to KSU

Bob Huggins was able to get a star from his home state to go to his school. Bill Walker mixed with Huggins being the coach is the reason why Beasley went there. That success leads to Wally Judge, etc.

Those players didn't commit to KSU because everything was done right, and they just loved Manhatten. They did it because of who the coach was.

Bob Huggins is on a WAY different level of recruiting than Mac. Look at those Cincinatti teams that he coached... They always under performed, but they were amazing talent.

You can't say "KSU is a worse program and they got those guys, why can't ISU?" If ISU had Bob Huggins, we would've gotten some high profile players.

Now I'm not saying I'd want Bob Huggins. His players don't graduate and most of his players are punks. Plus, his style of play is more NBA and I really love the college game... Plus there's something about Huggins that's kinda douchey.

By your reasoning, please tell me if there is a difference between these two:

Walker and Beasley committ to a terrible program in Kansas St. Wheather it is b/c of Huggins or Martin, it doesn't matter. All we know is that they had a connection. You say the connection is that Walker is from WV. OK

Now you have Harrison Barnes. Our connection is that he is in our backyard. His dad played at Iowa State. His mom works at Iowa State. He practices and plays with the players. He goes in and watches tape with the coaches. We were the first school to offer him.

Tell me who has the better connection? And how is my logic bad? You say that KSU got those great players b/c of their connections...well hello we have slightly better connections with Harrison.

mplscyclone · 07-13-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

UAB has a committment from the number 6 player in the 2009 class. UAB!!

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I didn't mean to leave this part out too... UAB is coached by Mike Davis... As in former IU basketball coach...

C-USA is also weak other than Memphis. If you put together the right team, you can win the conference somewhat easily. Same can't be said about the Big XII

Tornado man · 07-13-2008, 02:38 PM

[quote=mplscyclone;539006]

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, and now Wally Judge (all 5 stars) have all committed to Kansas St which was a much worse program than Iowa State.
quote]

Some of this logic is bad. Here is a timeline:

March 23 2006 - Bob Huggins hired as coach of K-State
Fall 2006 - Bill Walker goes to KSU and plays in the 2006-2007 season (native of West Virginia, Bob Huggins has strong recuiting ties there)
2007- Beasley goes to KSU

Bob Huggins was able to get a star from his home state to go to his school. Bill Walker mixed with Huggins being the coach is the reason why Beasley went there. That success leads to Wally Judge, etc.

Those players didn't commit to KSU because everything was done right, and they just loved Manhatten. They did it because of who the coach was.

Bob Huggins is on a WAY different level of recruiting than Mac. Look at those Cincinatti teams that he coached... They always under performed, but they were amazing talent.

You can't say "KSU is a worse program and they got those guys, why can't ISU?" If ISU had Bob Huggins, we would've gotten some high profile players.

Now I'm not saying I'd want Bob Huggins. His players don't graduate and most of his players are punks. Plus, his style of play is more NBA and I really love the college game... Plus there's something about Huggins that's kinda douchey.

Unlike most, I'm a Bob Huggins fan. Cincinnati was down before he came, and now they're down after he was fired. He will not tolerate selfish offensive players. As far as graduation rates, he can't be any worse that Floyd or Eustachy. I believe that's more of a personal responsibility, anyway.
K-State should have made the NCAA tourney during his one year there. But what I'm most impressed with is his year at West Virgina, and how he totally changed that team, with players that he inherited, to adapt his defensive, physical basketball mind-set. For crying out loud, he turned a run-of-the-mill forward, Joe Alexander (white guy, to boot), into the eight overall pick in the NBA draft! His track record of developing NBA players helps him tremendously in recruiting, I'm sure.

Tornado man · 07-13-2008, 02:42 PM

[quote=Clones85';539034]

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

By your reasoning, please tell me if there is a difference between these two:

Walker and Beasley committ to a terrible program in Kansas St. Wheather it is b/c of Huggins or Martin, it doesn't matter. All we know is that they had a connection. You say the connection is that Walker is from WV. OK

Now you have Harrison Barnes. Our connection is that he is in our backyard. His dad played at Iowa State. His mom works at Iowa State. He practices and plays with the players. He goes in and watches tape with the coaches. We were the first school to offer him.

Tell me who has the better connection? And how is my logic bad? You say that KSU got those great players b/c of their connections...well hello we have slightly better connections with Harrison.

Your logic is not bad - it is spot on. We have to be the undisputed leader for Harrison Barnes. Iowa State is part of his DNA!
His mom, Shirley, will use ISU as the measuring stick for any other school that he is considering...

CyValley · 07-13-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

. . . When you are a top 10 type guy, you can't fault ISU's recruiting that much. They are doing everything they can, and if it doesn't workout, I don't think it's a fault of Mac or anyone at ISU. . . .

The fact of the matter is that Barnes decision is not something that anyone has control over other than Barnes. The staff can show him as much love as possible, but he'll have his reasons either way.

If there's such a thing as strength in numbers, just wanted to tell you at least one other fan here agrees with your opinion 100 percent on this issue. You're dead on (imho).

I'm thinking there are situations and "machinations" behind the scenes occurring to which most of we everyday fans do not know about. Fer instance, what sort of bond exists (if any) between Harrison and Top 100 player and 2010 commit Jordan Dykstra? They would make a great SF-PF duo at ISU.

With HB and JD on board, would any school in the nation have a better forward combo in the 2010 recruiting class? Mix them in with the current players who'll be around for several more seasons, how good might we be?

Further (OK, I'm dreaming now), could not HB and JD, working together, "recruit" a third incredibly talented recruiting class teammate, possibly? That is, the three might make a pact to come to Ames together and do very special things together. (Boy, won't the new practice facility help out in this way?)

Bottom line: With JD on board, with HB thinking seriously about ISU, with the new building and with JD and HB as a lure, with this scenario there might not be a better place in the country for HB to choose.

Of course, this is my perspective, not HB's (as far as any of us know). Who knows what thoughts -- considerations and impressions -- are percolating in his mind.

CyBobby · 07-13-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by everyyard

Your second option is true regardless. mcD will go or stay in the next few years based off his ability to win games not recruit one player.

Your rite my friend...If isu builds a b-ball practice facility and mcdermott still cant recruit or win....

GOODBYE MAC...IT'S TIME TO GO!!!!

Wesley · 07-13-2008, 04:39 PM

If They build it, They will Come?

Right now HarBar may end up being the best bball player to come out of Iowa - better than Hoiberg, Meyer, Collison, etc. From little ol' Ames.

iowast8fan · 07-13-2008, 05:31 PM

If you wanted to be a doctor, would you go to ISU just because it is your hometown and you are a huge cyclone fan? Or would you go to Iowa because it is a good medical school?

If HB is going to college primarily for a basketball career, he should go the a school that gives him the best chance for his future....like a Kansas, NC, Duke, etc... If he is going to school primarily for a specific degree, and secondly for basketball, then he should go to the school that best fits that career.

This is all my opinion, and every HS player go to a school for their own reasons. Hopefully, for the program and the fans, HB has more reasons to goto ISU than any other school.