Harrison Barnes Poll

Clones85' · 07-13-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by iowast8fan

If you wanted to be a doctor, would you go to ISU just because it is your hometown and you are a huge cyclone fan? Or would you go to Iowa because it is a good medical school?

If HB is going to college primarily for a basketball career, he should go the a school that gives him the best chance for his future....like a Kansas, NC, Duke, etc... If he is going to school primarily for a specific degree, and secondly for basketball, then he should go to the school that best fits that career.

This is all my opinion, and every HS player go to a school for their own reasons. Hopefully, for the program and the fans, HB has more reasons to goto ISU than any other school.

That makes no sense as it is not even the same thing. If you are good you will get drafted no matter who you play for.

Where did Michael Olawakandi play? Chris Kaman? How bout Jason Thompson this year? Oh yeah, how high did Marcus Fizer get drafted? Kelvin Cato?

jmb · 07-13-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

That makes no sense as it is not even the same thing. If you are good you will get drafted no matter who you play for.

Where did Michael Olawakandi play? Chris Kaman? How bout Jason Thompson this year? Oh yeah, how high did Marcus Fizer get drafted? Kelvin Cato?

Would you blame a kid with a perfect SAT for going to MIT instead of Iowa State-both are good schools one just has a bigger national rep. Come on think this through.

j

Clones85' · 07-13-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by jmb

Would you blame a kid with a perfect SAT for going to MIT instead of Iowa State-both are good schools one just has a bigger national rep. Come on think this through.

j

It's not even the same thing! If you go to MIT, you have your pick of jobs. Not so if you go to Iowa State.

But if you play basketball, you can be a lottery pick no matter what school you go to, what country you live in.

SouthernHawk · 07-13-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

That makes no sense as it is not even the same thing. If you are good you will get drafted no matter who you play for.

Where did Michael Olawakandi play? Chris Kaman? How bout Jason Thompson this year? Oh yeah, how high did Marcus Fizer get drafted? Kelvin Cato?

The players that are interested in playing basketball only are primarily one-and-done players anyway. If that's the case, would you really be that excited about Barnes being on the team for one year?

If he's the type of player that also wants to go to school for a reason - learning - then he just may be a multi-year player. If that's the case, who knows where he's thinking.

CyValley · 07-13-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by iowast8fan

If you wanted to be a doctor, would you go to ISU just because it is your hometown and you are a huge cyclone fan? Or would you go to Iowa because it is a good medical school?

If I wanted to go to medical school, I'd try my damnedest to get into Johns Hopkins; why settle for The eiu?

Originally Posted by iowast8fan

If HB is going to college primarily for a basketball career, he should go the a school that gives him the best chance for his future....like a Kansas, NC, Duke, etc. . . .

This is just the thing -- who's to say which school gives him the best chance at a basketball future? Certainly not me. Sure stardom (as much as such a thing can be a sure thing) at ISU might be the best route for him to take rather than join a slate of five-star players at NC, or Duke, or. . . .

Especially if Mac recruits other top-notch players at other positions, like JD at power forward. Can HB get better coaching elsewhere than he would in Ames? Beats me. That's something he'll have to decide. But, I'd guess HB would get terrific basketball teaching at ISU, and if he has an outstanding "supporting" cast of teammates at ISU, well then. . . .

Angie · 07-13-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

It's not even the same thing! If you go to MIT, you have your pick of jobs. Not so if you go to Iowa State.

But if you play basketball, you can be a lottery pick no matter what school you go to, what country you live in.

While I do agree that he would still probably have the same NBA shot no matter where he went, I can only imagine that he'd want to be a star on an elite team while he was in school... I hope that Harrison comes to ISU, but I couldn't blame him if he wanted to go somewhere with more exposure. Possibly somewhere warmer, or just a change of pace! I know I wouldn't have wanted to stay in my hometown for college.

Clones85' · 07-13-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

The players that are interested in playing basketball only are primarily one-and-done players anyway. If that's the case, would you really be that excited about Barnes being on the team for one year?

If he's the type of player that also wants to go to school for a reason - learning - then he just may be a multi-year player. If that's the case, who knows where he's thinking.

Uh..Absolutely! It is a domino effect. You get a player of his caliber who happens to be one and done, it can do nothing but help your recruiting.

He wouldn't be one and done unless we had some level of success as he wouldn't be as high of a pick. Kansas, Duke, UNC, Memphis, etc all recruit one and done players every year and they do pretty well. No coach in the country has a problem with one and dones (minus Lute Olson now!!)

iowast8fan · 07-13-2008, 05:47 PM

None of you are really seeing the big picture of going to a top notch basketball school. Sure, a player can go to ISU and be an instant star, starter, and fan favorite. He will be playing daily against his inferior teammates and dominating them.

On the other hand, he can go to a basketball rich school like Kansas or NC, and sit for a year or two while the upperclassmen start. By doing this, he is playing against the best of the best every day in practice. He is making himself a better player by playing the best. When he actually starts in year 3 or year 2 if he is really good, he will be that much better of a player than he would be in year four at a school with mediocre players to practice againt.

This is what I mean by going to a basketball school for basketball. Don't get me wrong, I'd love HB to play for ISU as much as the next fan, but I can't say it would be my first choice if I was him.

Tornado man · 07-13-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by iowast8fan

None of you are really seeing the big picture of going to a top notch basketball school. Sure, a player can go to ISU and be an instant star, starter, and fan favorite. He will be playing daily against his inferior teammates and dominating them.

On the other hand, he can go to a basketball rich school like Kansas or NC, and sit for a year or two while the upperclassmen start. By doing this, he is playing against the best of the best every day in practice. He is making himself a better player by playing the best. When he actually starts in year 3 or year 2 if he is really good, he will be that much better of a player than he would be in year four at a school with mediocre players to practice againt.

This is what I mean by going to a basketball school for basketball. Don't get me wrong, I'd love HB to play for ISU as much as the next fan, but I can't say it would be my first choice if I was him.

So then I can assume if a 5-star Iowa high school football prospect had ISU and Oklahoma as his final two, you would advise him to pick the Sooners...

iowast8fan · 07-13-2008, 05:57 PM

Like I said, I want him togo to ISU, but if he was me and I was looking to be the best player I can be, I would go to a school filled with talent so I can learn from the best. And, if you don't think the recruiters are using this very same argument, then you are nuts.

Tornado man · 07-13-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

While I do agree that he would still probably have the same NBA shot no matter where he went, I can only imagine that he'd want to be a star on an elite team while he was in school... I hope that Harrison comes to ISU, but I couldn't blame him if he wanted to go somewhere with more exposure. Possibly somewhere warmer, or just a change of pace! I know I wouldn't have wanted to stay in my hometown for college.

So if you had been Fred Hoiberg, you wouldn't have played for the Cyclones?

Tornado man · 07-13-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by iowast8fan

Like I said, I want him togo to ISU, but if he was me and I was looking to be the best player I can be, I would go to a school filled with talent so I can learn from the best. And, if you don't think the recruiters are using this very same argument, then you are nuts.

Again, does that mean you would advise the football player to go to Oklahoma?

iowast8fan · 07-13-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

So if you had been Fred Hoiberg, you wouldn't have played for the Cyclones?

That is what I just said. Is it that hard to understand? Thank god I am not Fred Hoiberg or Harrison Barnes.

Angie · 07-13-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

So if you had been Fred Hoiberg, you wouldn't have played for the Cyclones?

Honestly? It would be a hard decision. ISU had been through a lot less turmoil the few years preceding when Hoiberg came to ISU (he was brought in by Orr, who had been here for forever). Hoiberg was Mr. Basketball, but I don't think he was anywhere near a top 5 recruit, either, was he? It's not really apples-to-apples.

Again - I would love HB to come. I think Mac is going to do/doing fantastic things with the team, but there has been a lot of turnover and guys lost the last few years - Barnes just may not want to go to a school working on rebuilding. I don't think this is ANY reflection on Mac, as he has been recruiting Harrison hard.

I'm not saying that I think HB should go anywhere else - I'm just saying that he's obviously got to do what is best for him and his career.

CTAClone · 07-13-2008, 06:33 PM

Everything I've heard about this subject is that McDermot is recruiting Barnes. Barnes likes ISU and the staff. I think the only issue is whether or not Barnes wants to play for us or a bigger basketball school. No one can predict what's in his head and what he is going to do.