A week ago, 90% on this board didn't care about wrestling.

**Angie** · 04-17-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

FAIL

Cohesive argument. Why even bother posting that cliche when you could have just trotted out an LOLcat?

**cycloneML** · 04-17-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

Exactly. As I posted in another thread, very few on this site even read the wrestling forum before today. Now, it's another symbol of the pseudo-indignant, "woe is Iowa State" attitude that a lot want to take. Yes, the world is ending because a sport that loses money that you didn't care about two days ago has a coaching change.

Just admit that you want something to be ****** about, and get it over with.

Apparently Angie also works for the athletic dept. Don't you folks get the night off to enjoy the VEISHEA activities?

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Well-reasoned post. Intelligent response right there.

When someone is calling people out for not being reasonable and saying the only reason people are upset is they are seeking out reasons to just be mad - hard to come back with anything else. I'd call that line a "well-reasoned" post as well.

I've listed countless facts as to why this is a very upsetting event and it's just another issue in a long trend of bad events.

**Angie** · 04-17-2009, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneML

Apparently Angie also works for the athletic dept. Don't you folks get the night off to enjoy the VEISHEA activities?

No, I actually just recognize these sports for what they are - entertainment. I am calling out the people who want to be pseudo-indignant over something they never cared about before, and for trying to bring up arguments about "awful coaches" they would have knelt down in front of two years ago.

**Angie** · 04-17-2009, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

When someone is calling people out for not being reasonable and saying the only reason people are upset is they are seeking out reasons to just be mad - hard to come back with anything else.

I've listed countless facts as to why this is a very upsetting event and it's just another issue in a long trend of bad events.

Your "facts" include Wesley Johnson leaving. Yeah, that has anything to do with the AD.

Edit - or just see CycloneErik's post three down, because he says it better.

**gocubs2118** · 04-17-2009, 10:29 PM

You can blame JP all you want for the failures of his coaching hires but at the time we were excited for just about everyone of them. Its not really anyones fault no one knew they were all a bunch of ****** bags.

**cycloneML** · 04-17-2009, 10:30 PM

its not mainstream, but its arguably ISU's flagship sport. It also confirms a devastating trend.

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

When someone is calling people out for not being reasonable and saying the only reason people are upset is they are seeking out reasons to just be mad - hard to come back with anything else. I'd call that line a "well-reasoned" post as well.

I've listed countless facts as to why this is a very upsetting event and it's just another issue in a long trend of bad events.

Basically, you've taken several things that may or may not be connected, decided that they are connected so that you have your chance to overreact, and make Mt. Everest out of a molehill. Relax. Life goes on.

**clones_jer** · 04-17-2009, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

And...

Most that are complaining and aren't wrestling fans, are complaining that the biggest Cyclone legend in our entire history as a University just left for a program that was 1-6 last year and has very little tradition compared to us. When you're a truly elite program in the sport, are paying the coach the highest salary in the business and he is more Cyclone than anybody before or after him - it raises some big flags when he bolts after three years.

we've had our disagreements, but this is profound. Hope you don't mind me borrowing it - it expresses my thoughts better than I can.

**ketelmeister** · 04-17-2009, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

Exactly. As I posted in another thread, very few on this site even read the wrestling forum before today. Now, it's another symbol of the pseudo-indignant, "woe is Iowa State" attitude that a lot want to take. Yes, the world is ending because a sport that loses money that you didn't care about two days ago has a coaching change.

Just admit that you want something to be ****** about, and get it over with.

Wow, this is a great post! I'd vote for you for University President!

**Angie** · 04-17-2009, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Wow, this is a great post! I'd vote for you for University President!

I just think that maybe the "poor little ISU" syndrome is a little bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy. You keep whining that nothing will ever go right, and it won't. Does nobody remember how to make lemonade?

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

I just think that maybe the "poor little ISU" syndrome is a little bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy. You keep whining that nothing will ever go right, and it won't. Does nobody remember how to make lemonade?

Throw lemons down, stomp on them, and ask why Jamie Pollard didn't give us a better pitcher?

**clones_jer** · 04-17-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

No, I actually just recognize these sports for what they are - entertainment. I am calling out the people who want to be pseudo-indignant over something they never cared about before, and for trying to bring up arguments about "awful coaches" they would have knelt down in front of two years ago.

If sports are entertainment, ISU is a crappy little theater playing Jar Jar Binks on continuos loop.

**HiltonMagic** · 04-17-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

Cohesive argument. Why even bother posting that cliche when you could have just trotted out an LOLcat?

Like this?

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 10:35 PM

It's as if rational thought has gone out the window.

I am no longer willing to blindly support anyone. Did it with Gene - fail. Did it with Greg - so far, not good. There is only one man that has proved enough at ISU to deserve said blind faith and it's not JP, it's Bill.

Pollard has done many good things and I've never disputed that. He has also made some moves that have turned out to not be good. 3 years ago was a good move. Today showed to me, something between he (and/or his admin) and Cael failed.

You just can't hold JP blameless in all this, it's impossible. He's running the ship. He's said himself (paraphrasing) that it's his responsibility to improve the program. It's not happening.

You can toss hindsight out there all you want, at the end of the day, we can't maintain any sort of continuity. Before it was just with struggling programs. But now, we lost a coach (and legendary alum) from a very successful program.

ISU is entertaining no one, except for our rivals or those reading the headlines as we continue to flounder about aimlessly.

It's just not good - period.