A week ago, 90% on this board didn't care about wrestling.

**clones_jer** · 04-17-2009, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

Yep - because we're Iowa State, and poor us. We'll never win.

If I didn't know you were Gerono's woman I'd swear you were the ADs girlfriend.

You cut NO ONE the slack you cut JP.

Morgan, McCarney, Chizik, Cael: good ridance to them all and don't let the door hit em on the way out.

JP: excuses and more excuses. nothing ever sticks to that man.

**zach** · 04-17-2009, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

And as usual, nothing has been officailly reported yet and we have 2 very, very different stories. ISU says Cael thought he could do better at PSU and rumors are the contract was fat. Cael said the contract was not much of a raise at all.

I'm waiting to see what is accurate.

But I still stand by my statements. Cael departing is just one of our problems...and I have not exactly been shy about noting I do have concerns for our current path before today.

I don't think you are!

:(

**ketelmeister** · 04-17-2009, 11:02 PM

How many on here have ever posted on the wrestling thread? How many ever went to a wrestling meet? How many got a wrestling poster and put it up? It seems to me that for many, this is simply an opportunity to take a cheap shot at Pollard. I personlly think wrestling is a major sport at Iowa State, but I don't blame JP for Cael leaving.

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

How many on here have ever posted on the wrestling thread? How many ever went to a wrestling meet? How many got a wrestling poster and put it up? It seems to me that for many, this is simply an opportunity to take a cheap shot at Pollard.

I asked some questions in a couple of wrestling threads. That's about it for me.

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

If I didn't know you were Gerono's woman I'd swear you were the ADs girlfriend.

You cut NO ONE the slack you cut JP.

Morgan, McCarney, Chizik, Cael: good ridance to them all and don't let the door hit em on the way out.

JP: excuses and more excuses. nothing ever sticks to that man.

Sadly, I must agree.

Originally Posted by zach

I don't think you are!

:(

I am. Have you not read the countless times I've clearly and precisely stated this is bigger than just today's events?

**Angie** · 04-17-2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

If I didn't know you were Gerono's woman I'd swear you were the ADs girlfriend.

You cut NO ONE the slack you cut JP.

Morgan, McCarney, Chizik, Cael: good ridance to them all and don't let the door hit em on the way out.

JP: excuses and more excuses. nothing ever sticks to that man.

Actually, not true.

I was one of the few Danny Mac apologists on this board, and think the world of McDermott. I believe you support what you've got unless you find irrefutable, undeniable evidence that they have betrayed that trust and support.

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

How many on here have ever posted on the wrestling thread? How many ever went to a wrestling meet? How many got a wrestling poster and put it up?

I await the reasons as to why this matters.

Using your logic, to me it looks like nothing but a reason to deflect any and all blame away from our AD and somehow onto the fans.

**clones_jer** · 04-17-2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

As a player? Yes.

He has a better winning percentage than Douglas or Gibbons. I'm betting his winning percentage in his first 3 years is better than just about any other wrestling coach on the planet. Hell, 82%? that's probably better than any coach period.

3 straight conference championships has NEVER been accomplished at ISU until Cael

Douglas had NONE in 13 years.

we didn't even need the "these aren't his players" excuse (what I like to call 'the McDermott')

He's a very successful coach.

**jumbopackage** · 04-17-2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Yes, that's exactly what I said!

Increasing revenue has been great, so has improving facilities. But those facilitates will be in vain if wins don't start coming soon as that increased revenue will be soon to dwindle.

Granted, but you've got to start somewhere. It doesn't help that the football program dipped lowest as the Big XII got to it's strongest point in years. It's clear that revenue is essential to generate success. There is some amount of chicken-and-egg that goes on, though.

JP decided, and reasonably so, to start with a bit of chicken, and so far that chicken hasn't laid a lot of eggs. Is it the fault of the farmer that we got a bum chicken that won't lay eggs despite having a great pedigree, or is it just bad luck?

I think JP is more a victim of circumstances than a maker of his own destiny, and I think the facts, as we know them, support that postulation.

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

I await the reasons as to why this matters.

Using your logic, to me it looks like nothing but a reason to deflect any and all blame away from our AD and somehow onto the fans.

He's not deflecting blame to the fans. You just want it to be that way so your complaining looks more important than it is.

What he's pointing out is that most people don't follow wrestling, but are using this as a great excuse to go complaining away about something they probably wouldn't even notice on a normal day. That's not blaming fans for Cael leaving. He's just pointing out that wrestling normally hasn't been very significant to fans/posters in general.

**ketelmeister** · 04-17-2009, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by michaelrr1

I think you are trying to put this down as just a wrestling story. It goes way beyond that. Cael is on the Mt. Rushmore of ISU athletics. He is what makes this a big event for anyone associated with ISU. It transcends the wrestling program.

No offense, but this is the real world. Stars don't always (and actually rarely do) stay at the college they played at to coach. He was a great wrestler, now he's a coach at Penn State. Happens all the time, and it's a normal thing.

**Angie** · 04-17-2009, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

I am. Have you not read the countless times I've clearly and precisely stated this is bigger than just today's events?

We're still waiting for the ones that are clearly JP's fault beyond a doubt, and that are actually related to each other. Player attrition doesn't count, seeing as how it has little to nothing to do with the AD.

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 11:09 PM

And maybe we should start including "voting power" around here for only those that actually show up to Cyclone events...I mean, since we're measuring the sports fan equivalent of our ***** and all.

I've tried very hard (and not doing well as the hours wear on) to stay on the issue here while others are just pointing back at those voicing our displeasure, as if it's the naysayers fault, no one cares about wrestling, etc.

**gocubs2118** · 04-17-2009, 11:09 PM

Is it bad that I love watching you guys argue in circles?

**HiltonMagic** · 04-17-2009, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

How many on here have ever posted on the wrestling thread? How many ever went to a wrestling meet? How many got a wrestling poster and put it up? It seems to me that for many, this is simply an opportunity to take a cheap shot at Pollard. I personlly think wrestling is a major sport at Iowa State, but I don't blame JP for Cael leaving.

How many have you been to?