A week ago, 90% on this board didn't care about wrestling.

**ketelmeister** · 04-17-2009, 10:14 PM

I say that as a person who has posted on the wrestling thread in the past. Very few posted on CF, or expressed their pleasure with how the program was going. Now that Cael leaves, what happened?

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 10:18 PM

I probably won't care a lot next week, either. It just doesn't catch my attention very much. More than likely, I'm not alone on that.

I think it mostly gave people a chance to cry about JP. So many people just aren't happy if they aren't complaining.

**Jeremy** · 04-17-2009, 10:18 PM

I agree with you - but this is a microcosm of what has plagued our entire athletic department for a decade or so now.

When somebody that is as big of a part of Iowa State Athletics as Cael leaves the program he professed to to love more than anything in life, it really makes people step back and ask questions of what is wrong that causes even that person to bolt.

While most people couldn't care less and just use it to further their agendas of bashing anything and everything that goes on - some see it as a sign that something is fundamentally wrong.

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 10:20 PM

One instance...this is just one instance.

No.
More.
Spin.

And that's what this "no one cared about wrestling before today" is...spin and another way to soften the blow. This is bigger than just the sport. It's a legendary Cyclone flying the coop. It's another bad day in a laundry list of sour days.

If this were just some coach not named Cael, it would not be near the issue that it is.

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

One instance...this is just one instance.

No.
More.
Spin.

And that's what this "no one cared about wrestling before today" is...spin and another way to soften the blow. This is bigger than just the sport. It's a legendary Cyclone flying the coop. It's another bad day in a laundry list of sour days.

If this were just some coach not named Cael, it would not be near the issue that it is.

To most people in the state, it's not an issue. It's just something to be hypersensitive about.

**Jeremy** · 04-17-2009, 10:23 PM

And...

Most that are complaining and aren't wrestling fans, are complaining that the biggest Cyclone legend in our entire history as a University just left for a program that was 1-6 last year and has very little tradition compared to us. When you're a truly elite program in the sport, are paying the coach the highest salary in the business and he is more Cyclone than anybody before or after him - it raises some big flags when he bolts after three years.

**ketelmeister** · 04-17-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

I agree with you - but this is a microcosm of what has plagued our entire athletic department for a decade or so now.

When somebody that is as big of a part of Iowa State Athletics as Cael leaves the program he professed to to love more than anything in life, it really makes people step back and ask questions of what is wrong that causes even that person to bolt.

While most people couldn't care less and just use it to further their agendas of bashing anything and everything that goes on - some see it as a sign that something is fundamentally wrong.

I agree with you on this Jeremy, well said. But it may simply be more money, and a better opportunity for Cael. In that case, it is part of business.

**zach** · 04-17-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

I say that as a person who has posted on the wrestling thread in the past. Very few posted on CF, or expressed their pleasure with how the program was going. Now that Cael leaves, what happened?

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

When you're a truly elite program in the sport, are paying the coach the highest salary in the business and he is more Cyclone than anybody before or after him - it raises some big flags when he bolts after three years.

This.

**cybsball20** · 04-17-2009, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

And...

Most that are complaining and aren't wrestling fans, are complaining that the biggest Cyclone legend in our entire history as a University just left for a program that was 1-6 last year and has very little tradition compared to us. When you're a truly elite program in the sport, are paying the coach the highest salary in the business and he is more Cyclone than anybody before or after him - it raises some big flags when he bolts after three years.

Bingo, it's starting to look like Pollard isn't a blast to work for or people jumping off a sinking ship...

**Angie** · 04-17-2009, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

To most people in the state, it's not an issue. It's just something to be hypersensitive about.

Exactly. As I posted in another thread, very few on this site even read the wrestling forum before today. Now, it's another symbol of the pseudo-indignant, "woe is Iowa State" attitude that a lot want to take. Yes, the world is ending because a sport that loses money that you didn't care about two days ago has a coaching change.

Just admit that you want something to be ****** about, and get it over with.

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

And...

Most that are complaining and aren't wrestling fans, are complaining that the biggest Cyclone legend in our entire history as a University just left for a program that was 1-6 last year and has very little tradition compared to us. When you're a truly elite program in the sport, are paying the coach the highest salary in the business and he is more Cyclone than anybody before or after him - it raises some big flags when he bolts after three years.

Good post.

At the same time, there's never a point reacting when news is fresh. People that are emotionally attached will go over the top, people that don't know will say whatever junk is on their minds.

By the time the real story shows up, things have already gone crazy. I really hope people don't live this way, but I know too many that do.

**ISUFan22** · 04-17-2009, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

Just admit that you want something to be ****** about, and get it over with.

FAIL

**CycloneErik** · 04-17-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

FAIL

Well-reasoned post. Intelligent response right there.

**Chizit** · 04-17-2009, 10:27 PM

A big part of the reason I'm paying a lot of attention to it is because of JP and yet another person who has given him a low blow. I support Jamie and never have had any doubts about him, and know he will get a coach of the same or better caliber to Cael. Let's buckle down for another rebuilding process!