Baylor or UNI? Which team is less important to ISU?

**terryk** · 06-22-2009, 09:10 PM

no brainer Baylor is a BIG 12 school end of topic

**swarthmoreCY** · 06-22-2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

But who are we kidding right now in terms of conference finishes - if we can't get by UNI, we aren't making much of a splash in conference anyway.

Exactly- the reason why a loss to UNI means anything is because it suggests ISU will do poorly in the Big 12. Hence, the priority on the Big 12.

**MontyBurns** · 06-22-2009, 10:19 PM

I don't know which is more embarassing: the fact that this is a poll question on CF or the fact that 27 doorknobs think UNI is a relevant opponent for ISU. UNI is not in our league, literally and figuratively. End of discussion.

**swarthmoreCY** · 06-22-2009, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

I don't know which is more embarassing: the fact that this is a poll question on CF or the fact that 27 doorknobs think UNI is a relevant opponent for ISU. UNI is not in our league, literally and figuratively. End of discussion.

Monty, I am going to contest this poll's result. One misread term/word would change a poster's response.

**DaddyMac** · 06-22-2009, 10:30 PM

Wow - alot of arrogance on the side of the Baylor voters/posters.

"Embarrassing", "Doorknobs", "Dumb"

Of course, looking at the names dropping those quotes......

**swarthmoreCY** · 06-22-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Wow - alot of arrogance on the side of the Baylor voters/posters.

"Embarrassing", "Doorknobs", "Dumb"

I can understand not liking the delivery, but how do you contest the message?

**michaelrr1** · 06-22-2009, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by jumbopackage

UNI means absolutely nothing to ISU. Winning the game only actually counts every 4 years even if we do win.

How you can say that UNI is more important than Baylor I have NO idea. I'd gladly lose to UNI and beat Baylor every single year and wouldn't even think twice about it if you gave me a choice.

I don't even care that they are an in-state "rival". So is Drake.

Isn't this the same thing Iowa says about ISU?

**CRCy17** · 06-22-2009, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Monty, I am going to contest this poll's result. One misread term/word would change a poster's response.

Exactly... the assumption by most people is that this is football related when it is merely in GENERAL DISCUSSION

**DaddyMac** · 06-22-2009, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

I can understand not liking the delivery, but how do you contest the message?

I'm not sure I said I did.

Simple fact is, the adament posturing that one of the two is somehow more critical to ISU comes off as very "hawk-fan" of some people. Judging from the last time we played both schools (since this is obviously football centric) - I'm not sure we should be dismissing either - or anyone for that matter.

**swarthmoreCY** · 06-23-2009, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

I'm not sure I said I did.

Simple fact is, the adament posturing that one of the two is somehow more critical to ISU comes off as very "hawk-fan" of some people. Judging from the last time we played both schools (since this is obviously football centric) - I'm not sure we should be dismissing either - or anyone for that matter.

Well, I guess we will agree to disagree, as I think it is sound logic to place more relevance on certain opponents than others.

"I'm not sure we should be dismissing either - or anyone for that matter."
Are you talking about on the field? Obviously "you play to win he game", and you do what you have to, but that does not mean one game is not more relevant to a fan base than another game. In basketball, is Houston UC-Davis as relevant as UNI? ...We struggled with both.

**egami** · 06-23-2009, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Simple fact is, the adament posturing that one of the two is somehow more critical to ISU comes off as very "hawk-fan" of some people. Judging from the last time we played both schools (since this is obviously football centric) - I'm not sure we should be dismissing either - or anyone for that matter.

Come on, I understand the premise of not liking it when people get that passionate or defensive about a position. But the mere nature of labeling it as "hawk-fan" is itself that very type of reply.

Every fan base has them...it's just life.

**DaddyMac** · 06-23-2009, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by egami

Come on, I understand the premise of not liking it when people get that passionate or defensive about a position. But the mere nature of labeling it as "hawk-fan" is itself that very type of reply.

Every fan base has them...it's just life.

What I'm saying, is that I think many people are wanting to dismiss UNI simply because they aren't BCS (or whatever) in football. Should we lose to them again this year, I fully expect to see a few remarks along the "it was their superbowl". And there is a quite obvious "little brother" mentality to them as well. That I'm afraid, is plain as day.

And that feeling towards them (the BCS thing), some how and for some reason, carries over to the other sports that we play them in - perhaps play them more often in - where they are D1.

**egami** · 06-23-2009, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

What I'm saying, is that I think many people are wanting to dismiss UNI simply because they aren't BCS (or whatever) in football. Should we lose to them again this year, I fully expect to see a few remarks along the "it was their superbowl".

And that feeling towards them (the BCS thing), some how and for some reason, carries over to the other sports that we play them in - perhaps play them more often in - where they are D1.

Yeah, I know what you are saying...you're not using it in a derogatory type of association, but I am just saying when you in turn label it like that it kind of looks pot and kettle-ish and can be taken that way. I would just challenge the premise and skip the association to avoid someone trying to discredit you on that front.

**CyBobby** · 06-23-2009, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by cstrunk

UNI is less important. Baylor is a conference foe.

DING..DING..DING...and the winner is CSTrunk!!!! Well said old boy ...U-B-GREAT!!!!

Who in the world cares about uni...they-B-nobody!!!!!

**swarthmoreCY** · 06-23-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

What I'm saying, is that I think many people are wanting to dismiss UNI simply because they aren't BCS (or whatever) in football. Should we lose to them again this year, I fully expect to see a few remarks along the "it was their superbowl". And there is a quite obvious "little brother" mentality to them as well. That I'm afraid, is plain as day.

And that feeling towards them (the BCS thing), some how and for some reason, carries over to the other sports that we play them in - perhaps play them more often in - where they are D1.

I think it is fair to discredit UNI's relevance to ISU "simply" because they are not even in the same division, let alone conference. Take out the names and generalize the situation. Which of team Y, Z, and n is more relevant to Team X?

Team X: plays DI, in BCS conference A, has a history of poor seasons, and splits games with Y, and Z. Once every decade they may lose to Team n. Competes for recruits with Team Y and Z.

Team Y: plays DI, in BCS conference A, has a history of poor seasons, and splits games with Team X. Competes for recruits with Team X, maybe Team Z once and a while.

Team Z: plays DI, in BCS conference B, has a recent history of average to good seasons, and splits games with Team X, never loses to team n. Competes for recruits with Team X, maybe Team Y once and a while.

Team n: plays DI-AA, has a horrible record against Team X and Y. Does not compete for recruits with Team X, Y, Z.