Nikki Moody sues Bill Fennelly over Racial Discrimination...

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It's funny some on here are acting like the attorneys don't know anything and made a bad decision. Or like they don't know what they are doing because a name was spelled wrong. They have more information right now than you know of. One of the top attorneys in the state gave them this case. They don't go into these things blind. Especially this big of case. Doesn't mean they will win. This will be a very very difficult case to win. But I doubt it gets that far. It will be settled before getting close to trial. Just like the Palo case.
 

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It's funny some on here are acting like the attorneys don't know anything and made a bad decision. Or like they don't know what they are doing because a name was spelled wrong. They have more information right now than you know of. One of the top attorneys in the state gave them this case. They don't go into these things blind. Especially this big of case. Doesn't mean they will win. This will be a very very difficult case to win. But I doubt it gets that far. It will be settled before getting close to trial. Just like the Palo case.

I know a lot of lawyers...some of them have a saying, "no black and white case is a bad case".
 

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It's funny some on here are acting like the attorneys don't know anything and made a bad decision. Or like they don't know what they are doing because a name was spelled wrong. They have more information right now than you know of. One of the top attorneys in the state gave them this case. They don't go into these things blind. Especially this big of case. Doesn't mean they will win. This will be a very very difficult case to win. But I doubt it gets that far. It will be settled before getting close to trial. Just like the Palo case.

thank you for continuing to not care.
 

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Look at your post below. It looks like ISU offered the mediation, they weren't compelled to mediation by the icrc.

After the mediation didn't go anywhere Moody went to the icrc and they screened her out and granted the "right to sue".

It wouldn't go to mediation if she was screened out. Unless the mediation was not related to the civil rights commission and just done between the parties
 

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I just think it sucks that no amount of former player support will be able to erase this from the court of public opinion.

I have a sinking feeling, that regardless of the results of this lawsuit, that Coach Fennelly will end up retiring because of the backlash. It's hard enough recruiting without having this cloud hanging over you.
 

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In order to get to that point of mediation/investigation, her complaint had to pass the initial screening, in which the link states that 60% of the complaints are "screened out". Somehow, ICRC saw enough to move forward. Are both of you stating as fact that the lawsuit approval is routine after mediation fails, or is that just an opinion based on reading of the ICRC link?

The decision by ISU to chose mediation is an interesting one. The ISU statement yesterday seemed to indicate that ISU was quite certain that the charges have no basis. In that case, investigation seems a good choice, as it would keep things internal and avoid the risk of a failed mediation and public trial if the right to sue is granted. Perhaps ISU was trying to be take more generous, less hostile approach with Moody.

The ICRC procedure is somewhat odd IMO. If mediation fails, it seems the case should roll into the investigation phase, but instead it just seems to "end", and the plaintiff can request the right to sue. Maybe there is more procedure than what is described in the link.

Some limited experience with the process led me to my remarks about the mediation process. I must have missed that ISU requested mediation. I thought it was Moody et al who requested it, but I may have misread something?
 

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I just think it sucks that no amount of former player support will be able to erase this from the court of public opinion.

I have a sinking feeling, that regardless of the results of this lawsuit, that Coach Fennelly will end up retiring because of the backlash. It's hard enough recruiting without having this cloud hanging over you.
I had the exact same thought as soon as this story broke.
Even if everything goes perfectly for BF; charges dropped, Moody has to issue public apology, etc, you know that this will get brought up when talking to every recruit going forward.
Really is too bad, given all the positive notes that other former players have put out.
 

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I just think it sucks that no amount of former player support will be able to erase this from the court of public opinion.

I have a sinking feeling, that regardless of the results of this lawsuit, that Coach Fennelly will end up retiring because of the backlash. It's hard enough recruiting without having this cloud hanging over you.

That's unfortunately will be the sad part of this. But I think ISU takes a good stance because this involves a lot: reputations of BF, his coaches and AD and the university. If ISU win this case, I hope they take the offensive to clear BF's name.

one thing that popped up my mind: will ISU erase her name from the record books and WNBA draftees wall?
 

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I had the exact same thought as soon as this story broke.
Even if everything goes perfectly for BF; charges dropped, Moody has to issue public apology, etc, you know that this will get brought up when talking to every recruit going forward.
Really is too bad, given all the positive notes that other former players have put out.

this is a civil not a criminal issue so there are no charges
 

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Look at your post below. It looks like ISU offered the mediation, they weren't compelled to mediation by the icrc.

After the mediation didn't go anywhere Moody went to the icrc and they screened her out and granted the "right to sue".

According to the lawsuit, her complaint was filed with the ICRC on May 15, 2015. The mediation was in January 2016. It's certainly possible, but it seems odd that anything like a mediation would take place outside of the ICRC once the complaint is filed.
 

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It wouldn't go to mediation if she was screened out. Unless the mediation was not related to the civil rights commission and just done between the parties

That's the impression that I get. This is the timeline I'm working from: ISU offered the mediation in an attempt to not let this go nuclear/Moody asks ISU to go to mediation and ISU agrees for same reason. ISU didn't give Moody what she wantedin that mediation. Moody goes to ICRC. Claim gets screened out so she gets the right to sue.
 

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I just think it sucks that no amount of former player support will be able to erase this from the court of public opinion.

I have a sinking feeling, that regardless of the results of this lawsuit, that Coach Fennelly will end up retiring because of the backlash. It's hard enough recruiting without having this cloud hanging over you.

I've seen this a lot in this thread, I have a real hard time seeing Fennelly getting beaten by what we've seen so far.
 

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According to the lawsuit, her complaint was filed with the ICRC on May 15, 2015. The mediation was in January 2016. It's certainly possible, but it seems odd that anything like a mediation would take place outside of the ICRC once the complaint is filed.

You can offer mediation within the ICRC without being compelled to participate. I have been involved in cases where it is clear that mediation is going to go nowhere but counsel recommends participating anyway.

Also, people have mentioned that the fact that this law firm took the case means it has legs. I imagine as soon as Moody mentioned a conversation with the University President's spouse that was characterized as sympathetic they saw dollar signs. In addition, knowledge of the University's propensity to settle even relatively strong cases to avoid the risks and publicity of going to trial may sway a good law firm to take a weak case. The goal isn't to win a trial - the goal is to get money out of the defendant for the plaintiff. It is often a game of chicken to see for how much you can get a nervous defendant to settle.

I'm not saying they don't have much more, but we can't draw conclusions simply off of who the representation is.
 

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You can offer mediation within the ICRC without being compelled to participate. I have been involved in cases where it is clear that mediation is going to go nowhere but counsel recommends participating anyway.

Also, people have mentioned that the fact that this law firm took the case means it has legs. I imagine as soon as Moody mentioned a conversation with the University President's spouse that was characterized as sympathetic they saw dollar signs. In addition, knowledge of the University's propensity to settle even relatively strong cases to avoid the risks and publicity of going to trial may sway a good law firm to take a weak case. The goal isn't to win a trial - the goal is to get money out of the defendant for the plaintiff. It is often a game of chicken to see for how much you can get a nervous defendant to settle.

I'm not saying they don't have much more, but we can't draw conclusions simply off of who the representation is.


I think you are probably right on this, however, I think they went so overboard in their "factual" statements in the case filing that ISU is now forced to come out swinging and a sealed settlement is less likely unless it includes BF resigning.
 

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Assuming what the former players are saying in support of BF is accurate across the board, some people just like to blame their problems on anyone but themselves.