When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[mramseyISU]

Not very long at all

That's kind of what I'm thinking as well. Stellantis has enough money where I could see them buying somebody like Rivian out for the BEV tech. Stellantis seems like from the outside to be way behind the other automakers in having a BEV. Even Toyota who thinks they're stupid has one. Then Rivian seems like they're bleeding cash and may need some help in surviving. They also have what appears to be a great set of products if they can get production volumes up. Might be a good match for the two.

 

[RedlineSi]

That's kind of what I'm thinking as well. Stellantis has enough money where I could see them buying somebody like Rivian out for the BEV tech. Stellantis seems like from the outside to be way behind the other automakers in having a BEV. Even Toyota who thinks they're stupid has one. Then Rivian seems like they're bleeding cash and may need some help in surviving. They also have what appears to be a great set of products if they can get production volumes up. Might be a good match for the two.

Its not.

A traditional automaker probably isn't going to buy them.

There's been a ton of talk from Wall St analysts about Apple buying them, especially since they killed their own program.

Right now they don't need that. They're pausing the build out of GA, which saves them $2.2 Billion.

They just got a cash infusion and will continue to with the R2 and R3, and they can raise capital with more convertible notes.

 

[dmclone]

Only thing that bugs me about the new Rivian's is the plug location. Come on, this isn't something to differentiate yourself on. If anything, put it on the front passenger side. Although this setup would work well in my garage. Tesla on left, Rivian on the right.

 

[RedlineSi]

Lots of talk about that. They feel Tesla shouldn't determine where it goes, and that by 2026 that will change. (Think longer cables) They believe curbside charging is the future in many areas, thus the location.

From what I've heard, they are taking feedback, and might move it over the next 2 years, to potentially be in the front passenger location.



RJ said the reason for the rear charger port location is that:

"The rear motor option on R2/R3 plus rear charger port allows for shorter high voltage lines, than having to run the cable all the way to the front"

 

[BCClone]

So which one of you have the plates enrjizr?

He’s a jizzer?

 

[NWICY]

He’s a jizzer?

I read it as in her and jizzer surprised the plate patrol passed it
Actually I assume it was shorthand for energizer, but I thought my version was funnier.

 

[Clonehomer]

I read it as in her and jizzer surprised the plate patrol passed it
Actually I assume it was shorthand for energizer, but I thought my version was funnier.

If he keeps that up he’s going to need to trade in that BEV for a minivan.

 

[ianoconnor]

Lots of talk about that. They feel Tesla shouldn't determine where it goes, and that by 2026 that will change. (Think longer cables) They believe curbside charging is the future in many areas, thus the location.

From what I've heard, they are taking feedback, and might move it over the next 2 years, to potentially be in the front passenger location.



RJ said the reason for the rear charger port location is that:

"The rear motor option on R2/R3 plus rear charger port allows for shorter high voltage lines, than having to run the cable all the way to the front"

This new R3X looks sick. Want.

 

[dmclone]

Lots of talk about that. They feel Tesla shouldn't determine where it goes, and that by 2026 that will change. (Think longer cables) They believe curbside charging is the future in many areas, thus the location.

From what I've heard, they are taking feedback, and might move it over the next 2 years, to potentially be in the front passenger location.



RJ said the reason for the rear charger port location is that:

"The rear motor option on R2/R3 plus rear charger port allows for shorter high voltage lines, than having to run the cable all the way to the front"

That's probably true, but then maybe they shouldn't have agreed to be on Tesla's charging network and have their owners rely on the Rivian charging network instead. The longer cables will be nice on V4, which are 10 feet long but I hope this doesn't cause other issues. e.g. Charging cables not properly docked

 

[Die4Cy]

This new R3X looks sick. Want.

This new R3X looks sick. Want.

I saw where somebody said it reminded them of a first generation Volkswagen Golf and now I can't unsee it.

 

[Jer]

Rivian and Polestar make some amazing vehicles and to me are so much more refined and detailed than Teslas, and without having to support Musk. I just wish they were on more solid footing as they're both really struggling and that's in turn also stunted some of the marketing and distribution/logistics they need to continue to grow.

 

[dmclone]

I saw where somebody said it reminded them of a first generation Volkswagen Golf and now I can't unsee it.

That's true and I think a big part of that is the wheel offset. I would have to think in production, that offset would have to go in favor of aerodynamics?

 

[brianhos]

Only thing that bugs me about the new Rivian's is the plug location. Come on, this isn't something to differentiate yourself on. If anything, put it on the front passenger side. Although this setup would work well in my garage. Tesla on left, Rivian on the right.

I like the Tesla location (rear driver side), works well for my garage, and with the massive backup camera, it's easy to back into charger spots.

 

[RagingCloner]

That's kind of what I'm thinking as well. Stellantis has enough money where I could see them buying somebody like Rivian out for the BEV tech. Stellantis seems like from the outside to be way behind the other automakers in having a BEV. Even Toyota who thinks they're stupid has one. Then Rivian seems like they're bleeding cash and may need some help in surviving. They also have what appears to be a great set of products if they can get production volumes up. Might be a good match for the two.

Stellantis already has quite a bit of production from the Chrysler side of things, its why many Chrysler products are being heavily discounted over the last 6 weeks. Being that Chrysler/Stellantis is behind when it comes to EV, it would not surprise me at all

 

[RagingCloner]

So it looks like Tesla lost around $7B over like 11 years before becoming profitable, while Rivian has lost something like $18B in ~5 years? Is that right?

That is correct. And Ford lost enough in '23 on EV's that they are backing off a bit, as is GM. $4.5 billion loss is hard to swallow for a manufacturer that was already struggling with the output of inventory

 

[simply1]

GM lifts stop-sale on Blazer EV and lowers the price

General Motors said it has a fix and made enhancements to the Blazer EV's software and lower the vehicle price.

www.freep.com

GM is lowering the entry prices on the three trim levels by as much as $6,520.

• The LT all-wheel drive Blazer EV had an original starting price of $56,715, it now starts at $50,195. After the $7,500 tax credit, the price would be $42,695.
• The next trim level is the RS all-wheel drive. It moves from the original starting price of $60,215 to a starting price of $54,595. After the tax credit it would be $47,095.
• The RS rear-wheel drive trim level drops from an original starting price of $61,790 to $56,170. After the tax credit it would be $48,670.

 

[simply1]

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www.wsj.com

Within minutes of saying her goodbyes, she called one of her friends in a panic. While making a three-point turn, she had put the car in reverse instead of drive, she said. It is a mistake she had made before with the Tesla gearshift. The car had zipped backward, tipping over an embankment and into a pond. It was sinking fast. Could they help her?

Over the next several hours, her friends, then the ranch manager and his wife, and then paramedics, and firefighters and sheriff’s deputies rushed around and tried to break the windows, find an escape hatch or any way to get Chao out of the car. Somehow an executive who made her living on the sea was drowning in a stock pond within sight of her home.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Not so sure about the marketing power for VW bringing back the Scout brand. Pretty long gone name and even as an elder the name didn't exactly resonate with me.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/17/cars/vw-scout-american-electric-suvs/index.html

 

[mramseyISU]

Not so sure about the marketing power for VW bringing back the Scout brand. Pretty long gone name and even as an elder the name didn't exactly resonate with me.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/17/cars/vw-scout-american-electric-suvs/index.html

The people who remember that name are pretty hard core off roader types any more and those people are going to be some of that last to adopt a BEV.

 

[NWICY]

Not so sure about the marketing power for VW bringing back the Scout brand. Pretty long gone name and even as an elder the name didn't exactly resonate with me.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/17/cars/vw-scout-american-electric-suvs/index.html

LOL I know about the IH scout because at a job I had one of the supervisors had one. One night during a blizzard it's door didn't shut right and the door spent all night banging into a brand new pickup side. Beat the hell out of it. Didn't hurt the scout door much.