another big12 basketball preview

**imnclone** · 10-10-2010, 06:39 PM

apparently the author doesn't know about Godfrey and Vanderbeken.

Big 12 Season Preview - Part I

**timappelgate** · 10-10-2010, 06:56 PM

12 wins? Ouch.

**sodakjoe** · 10-10-2010, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by imnclone

apparently the author doesn't know about Godfrey and Vanderbeken.

Big 12 Season Preview - Part I

He's not giving a player by player breakdown here, and it's not like Godfrey or Vanderbeken are particularly notable, so unsurprising he didn't mention them.

**Cy's Taxi** · 10-10-2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by timappelgate

12 wins? Ouch.

Painful? Yes. Very realistic? Oh, you bet. It's going to be an interesting year...

**bawbie** · 10-10-2010, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by sodakjoe

He's not giving a player by player breakdown here, and it's not like Godfrey or Vanderbeken are particularly notable, so unsurprising he didn't mention them.

I'd put money that he didn't mention our leading scorer for the year, which I'm guessing will be Phillips or Anderson.

**brokenloginagain** · 10-10-2010, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by bawbie

I'd put money that he didn't mention our leading scorer for the year, which I'm guessing will be Phillips or Anderson.

DG or SC will be our leading scorers.

**Cysrevenge** · 10-10-2010, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by brokenloginagain

DG or SC will be our leading scorers.

god I hope you just forgot the jimlad.

if either Garret or christopherson are our leading scorers, we'll be lucky to make it to conference play with a record above .500

**tigershoops31** · 10-10-2010, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cysrevenge

god I hope you just forgot the jimlad.

if either Garret or christopherson are our leading scorers, we'll be lucky to make it to conference play with a record above .500

Well I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that our leading scorer probably won't average over 13-15 ppg. That said, DG and Christopherson have both shown flashes of brilliance in the past so it could stand to reason that with a larger load to shoulder they could be in that range. I would think there are 5-6 guys that could be in the conversation to be our leading scorers this year...and not necessarily because they are "pure scorers" but because we'll have a more balanced scoring attack out of necessity.

**BBHMagic** · 10-10-2010, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by timappelgate

12 wins? Ouch.

If you think about it, that sounds about right. We do only have three players returning and they weren't exactly our top play makers. We also have have no idea what kind of coach we have coming in. Having said all that, I still think we do better than last year just because the direction of the program already seems to have changed dramatically in the off-season.

**Cysrevenge** · 10-10-2010, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by tigershoops31

Well I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that our leading scorer probably won't average over 13-15 ppg. That said, DG and Christopherson have both shown flashes of brilliance in the past so it could stand to reason that with a larger load to shoulder they could be in that range. I would think there are 5-6 guys that could be in the conversation to be our leading scorers this year...and not necessarily because they are "pure scorers" but because we'll have a more balanced scoring attack out of necessity.

DG has never really shown that he can be the guy who's gonna lead the team with 15-20 or so every night. unless he has made huge strides in the offseason, then it aint gonna happen. what is his game high? is it even 20? scotty had to have averaged somewhere between 5-10 ppg last year. no way either of them come out and lead the team this year. if they do, I think we're in trouble.

Anderson needs to step in and produce right away and lead this team.

has royce's eligability decision been made yet? obviously if he can play, he will lead the team in scoring (hopefully with anderson close behind him)

**tigershoops31** · 10-10-2010, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Cysrevenge

DG has never really shown that he can be the guy who's gonna lead the team with 15-20 or so every night. unless he has made huge strides in the offseason, then it aint gonna happen. what is his game high? is it even 20? scotty had to have averaged somewhere between 5-10 ppg last year. no way either of them come out and lead the team this year. if they do, I think we're in trouble.

Anderson needs to step in and produce right away and lead this team.

has royce's eligability decision been made yet? obviously if he can play, he will lead the team in scoring (hopefully with anderson close behind him)

Garrett has been a 9 point a game player throughout his ISU career, but his main job has been to get the ball to Brackins. He did have games of 15, 15, 16, 17 last year and could be our breakout player this year in a new system and more of a chance to create for himself some. Christopherson had a couple of really solid games late in the year too and played through mono most of the year.

Not sure where you're coming from with Anderson? I think he'll help, but for you to laugh off the idea of Garrett possibly leading us in scoring (as a proven 9 ppg player while being the main distributor on a Big 12 team) while lauding Anderson (a 10.6 ppg scorer in the Mid-American Conference) seems off to me...

Obviously if White is eligible I'd agree with you there, but I don't think that's been decided either way...

**cyclone1975** · 10-10-2010, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cysrevenge

DG has never really shown that he can be the guy who's gonna lead the team with 15-20 or so every night. unless he has made huge strides in the offseason, then it aint gonna happen. what is his game high? is it even 20? scotty had to have averaged somewhere between 5-10 ppg last year. no way either of them come out and lead the team this year. if they do, I think we're in trouble.

Anderson needs to step in and produce right away and lead this team.

has royce's eligability decision been made yet? obviously if he can play, he will lead the team in scoring (hopefully with anderson close behind him)

I am pretty sure his career high is 26. I still think this could be DG's breakout year. A senior, who CFH has already labeled the leader of this year's team. I don't think he will be 1st team All Big 12, but I predict he will have a solid campaign and we will wonder where he has been all these years. I am going to predict he averages about 12-14 points a game and 6+ assists per game.

**Cysrevenge** · 10-10-2010, 09:55 PM

I've just never been overly impressed with DG, so I'm probably not giving credit where it is due. don't get me wrong, I hope to god the kid has a break out year and can average 20. But I'm not going to put much stock into him until he gives me good reason to. Scotty just seems like your typical McD player to me. decent role player in the slow down bore you to death system offense, but I don't see the run and gun being something that plays to his strengths. I hope I'm wrong, but I wont hold my breathe.

2011-2012 can't get here any sooner.

**tigershoops31** · 10-10-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Cysrevenge

I've just never been overly impressed with DG, so I'm probably not giving credit where it is due. don't get me wrong, I hope to god the kid has a break out year and can average 20. But I'm not going to put much stock into him until he gives me good reason to. Scotty just seems like your typical McD player to me. decent role player in the slow down bore you to death system offense, but I don't see the run and gun being something that plays to his strengths. I hope I'm wrong, but I wont hold my breathe.

2011-2012 can't get here any sooner.

Yeah maybe we're not really arguing the same thing...I'm definitely not saying I expect either DG or Christopherson to average 20 ppg. I just think DG in particular will show significant gains in his scoring average partially because if we do play more uptempo he'll get better chances to attack in the open court, and partly because he won't have a big scorer to automatically defer to in the offense.

I do think Scotty gets unfairly stereotyped as a slow white shooter sometimes when he's actually got pretty good speed, handles, and an ability to create his own shot.

**brokenloginagain** · 10-11-2010, 07:56 AM

you guys are all selling SC way to short. the kid played his rookie season with mono. check out his numbers versus our other highly touted SGs.

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