White?

**brokenloginagain** · 11-05-2010, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

Is Royce White eligible to play in tonight's exhibition game? Antwon Oliver, for example, played in last year's exhibition game even though he redshirted. We also need tonight's game to get the guys who are eligible to play this year ready. However, will Royce White and/or the other transfers see the court tonight? Are they allowed to play in tonight's exhibition?

Just curious -- I would appreciate an answer from anyone who may know.

Thanks & Go Cyclones!

If you are a freshman, you can play in exhibitions without ruining your redshirt status. If you are not a freshman, once you play you can no longer redshirt. Transfers can't play.

**cyclones500** · 11-05-2010, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Bigguns

Does the NCAA have to make a decision about White before the season starts or can they just not say anything and let their silence be their answer?

White's presence wouldn't hurt, and I hate the inability of NCAA to actually make these decisions in a timely fashion. I mean, what's the delay? I'm sure there's more detail to it than we know, but is it actually that complicated?

I'm not losing any sleep over it, either way. Fans got hung up on Staiger's eligibility, waited a year for the patience to pay off, waited another year for him to "become effective," he had one awesome game, then bolted.

I'm not saying any of that will happen in this case. I just don't want to obsess over it.

**Goldfinger** · 11-05-2010, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

Is Royce White eligible to play in tonight's exhibition game? Antwon Oliver, for example, played in last year's exhibition game even though he redshirted. We also need tonight's game to get the guys who are eligible to play this year ready. However, will Royce White and/or the other transfers see the court tonight? Are they allowed to play in tonight's exhibition?

Just curious -- I would appreciate an answer from anyone who may know.

Thanks & Go Cyclones!

Royce White is NOT eligible to play in any games this year unless granted a waiver by the NCAA. How is this not known by everyone by now?

**Cydkar** · 11-05-2010, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Goldfinger

Royce White is NOT eligible to play in any games this year unless granted a waiver by the NCAA. How is this not known by everyone by now?

Can this be pinned to the top of the bsasketball board? I'm completely serious

**Cyhart** · 11-05-2010, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by cyclones500

White's presence wouldn't hurt, and I hate the inability of NCAA to actually make these decisions in a timely fashion. I mean, what's the delay? I'm sure there's more detail to it than we know, but is it actually that complicated?

I'm not losing any sleep over it, either way. Fans got hung up on Staiger's eligibility, waited a year for the patience to pay off, waited another year for him to "become effective," he had one awesome game, then bolted.

I'm not saying any of that will happen in this case. I just don't want to obsess over it.

The NCAA is a big, bloated, corrupt, bureaucracy. (Kinda like our government)
They dont do anything quickly or efficiently. Not unless there is some sort of monetary incentive for them. And even then, I wouldnt hold my breath.......

**Cyhart** · 11-05-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Cydkar

Can this be pinned to the top of the bsasketball board? I'm completely serious

Wouldnt you like to know one way or the other?
CFH is on the record saying he would.....

**ricochet** · 11-05-2010, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by brokenloginagain

If you are a freshman, you can play in exhibitions without ruining your redshirt status. If you are not a freshman, once you play you can no longer redshirt. Transfers can't play.

Being a freshman doesn't have anything to do with it, and for that matter neither does redshirting. You have 2 types of players, eligible and ineligible. Any eligible player can play at any time. An ineligible player is not allowed to ever play. By default if you transfer you are ineligible for one year (only Football and Basketball - other sports don't do this if you are released from your scholoarship). The NCAA can give you a waiver and make you eligible immediately.

At the end of the year, if you did not play in any game (other than exhibitions) you can use it as a redshirt year and it does not count against your 4 years of eligibility (it does start the 5 years to play 4 clock). The key is that redshirt status is not declared at the beginning of the year, it is essentially retroactive at the end of the season. It doesn't matter if you are a freshman or not. DG could play tonight, take the rest of the year off and come back again next year.

**kucyclone** · 11-05-2010, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by ricochet

Being a freshman doesn't have anything to do with it, and for that matter neither does redshirting. You have 2 types of players, eligible and ineligible. Any eligible player can play at any time. An ineligible player is not allowed to ever play. By default if you transfer you are ineligible for one year (only Football and Basketball - other sports don't do this if you are released from your scholoarship). The NCAA can give you a waiver and make you eligible immediately.

At the end of the year, if you did not play in any game (other than exhibitions) you can use it as a redshirt year and it does not count against your 4 years of eligibility (it does start the 5 years to play 4 clock). The key is that redshirt status is not declared at the beginning of the year, it is essentially retroactive at the end of the season. It doesn't matter if you are a freshman or not. DG could play tonight, take the rest of the year off and come back again next year.

Why would you write this whole thing up if you don't know the rule? Freshmen are the only players who can play in exhibitions and still be eligible for a non-medical redshirt.

**Ry4Cy** · 11-05-2010, 05:09 PM

Yeah and if this was happening to texas this would have been figured out months ago and he would probably play

**istater7** · 11-06-2010, 12:19 AM

Yeah and if this was happening to texas this would have been figured out
months ago and he would
probably play

actually KU and i think kentucky have freshmen that are still waiting elibility rulings also. not just us

**ruflosn** · 11-06-2010, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by istater7

actually KU and i think kentucky have freshmen that are still waiting elibility rulings also. not just us

Who is KU waiting on?

**kcclones** · 11-06-2010, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by ruflosn

Who is KU waiting on?

Selby. and self has said he doesn't expect a ruling until possibly around big 12 games

**Cydkar** · 11-07-2010, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Cyhart

Wouldnt you like to know one way or the other?
CFH is on the record saying he would.....

Sure, but asking on this board 100 times will make it come any quicker.

**Cyforce** · 11-07-2010, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by kucyclone

Why would you write this whole thing up if you don't know the rule? Freshmen are the only players who can play in exhibitions and still be eligible for a non-medical redshirt.

Can a Juco play in an exhibition then red shirt?
That seems to be the litmus test to this argument.

**kucyclone** · 11-07-2010, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Cyforce

Can a Juco play in an exhibition then red shirt?
That seems to be the litmus test to this argument.

That's a good question. I tried searching the NCAA site, which is a mess of bad links and expired PDFs. I think it's basically a moot point, though, because how often do you bring a JuCo kid in to red-shirt him? I would assume that they are treated like a freshman during their first exhibition games with the new team, but I could be wrong. It wouldn't be too hard to figure out by looking at exhibition box scores, but I can't recall any cases of a JuCo coming in and taking a (non-medical) redshirt for their first season on campus.