Statistics National Rankings So Far

[timappelgate]

PPG- 83.5 (37th)
RPG- 40.0 (85th)
APG- 18.3 (28th)
FGP- .508 (26th)

Not bad. All these are national rankings btw. Go Clones!

[CycloneYoda]

The rebounding surprises me the most.

[jahfg]

These statistics mean nothing given that most teams haven't played anyone worth a crap.

[Knownothing]

I hope they are national rankings. It would suck if we were 85th in rebounding in the big 12.

[clone52]

The rebounding surprises me the most.

RPG really means nothing. With our fast pace, its obvious that we'll have a lot of rebounds, just because we have a lot of possessions. The key will be rebounding margin.

[kucyclone]

Use kenpom.com for statistics, not espn.com.

I'm not sure how you left out 3-point numbers. ISU is 12th nationally in 3-pointers made and 13th nationally in 3-point percentage. (39 for 87; 44.8%)

Between our excellent shooting and our opponents' poor shooting, there's a good reason why we've been better than expected so far, and it has almost nothing to do with assists per game or rebounds per game, which are nearly meaningless statistics anyway. If not meaningless, they're definitely inferior statistics to things like Assist rate and Off Reb. %.

And, for all the talk about up-tempo, our pace is basically the same as it was last year under McDermott.

[CycloneJames]

Use kenpom.com for statistics, not espn.com.

I'm not sure how you left out 3-point numbers. ISU is 12th nationally in 3-pointers made and 13th nationally in 3-point percentage. (39 for 87; 44.8%)

Between our excellent shooting and our opponents' poor shooting, there's a good reason why we've been better than expected so far, and it has almost nothing to do with assists per game or rebounds per game, which are nearly meaningless statistics anyway. If not meaningless, they're definitely inferior statistics to things like Assist rate and Off Reb. %.

And, for all the talk about up-tempo, our pace is basically the same as it was last year under McDermott.

You are 100% insane if you really think that.

[azepp]

You are 100% insane if you really think that.

334 points so far this year, 346 through 4 games last year. We're actually averaging fewer points per game so far.

[VeloClone]

Use kenpom.com for statistics, not espn.com.

I'm not sure how you left out 3-point numbers. ISU is 12th nationally in 3-pointers made and 13th nationally in 3-point percentage. (39 for 87; 44.8%)

Between our excellent shooting and our opponents' poor shooting, there's a good reason why we've been better than expected so far, and it has almost nothing to do with assists per game or rebounds per game, which are nearly meaningless statistics anyway. If not meaningless, they're definitely inferior statistics to things like Assist rate and Off Reb. %.

And, for all the talk about up-tempo, our pace is basically the same as it was last year under McDermott.

The difference is that Freddy considers a 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 a transition advantage where often GMac often seemed to call off the dogs because it was only a 3 on 2 advantage and "we are thin so we need to conserve our energy and not run with these guys". Freddy doesn't seem to care that we are thin. He is going to run and to hell with the consequences. He may very well win more than he loses in that gamble; who knows. After any transition opportunity is gone, then we still settle down and probe the defense for an opening. Up-tempo does not necessarily mean rushed.

[kucyclone]

You are 100% insane if you really think that.

I guess both me and the objective statistics are on the side of insanity.

[CycloneJames]

I guess both me and the objective statistics are on the side of insanity.

I can't find any stats for fast break points. And you can't tell me that overall points is an indication of tempo. Even if we have less fast break points this year than last year we are still a much more up-tempo year. It all comes down to converting the opportunities, which we missed several opportunities in yesterdays game (especially in the first half). On top of the I'd like to see a stat on the average time from rebound or made basket to the top of the key going to other way. I can garuntee you it would be significantly faster. Just because we haven't scored as many points as last year 4 games in doesn't mean we aren't playing any faster.

[bawbie]

I can't find any stats for fast break points. And you can't tell me that overall points is an indication of tempo. Even if we have less fast break points this year than last year we are still a much more up-tempo year. It all comes down to converting the opportunities, which we missed several opportunities in yesterdays game (especially in the first half). On top of the I'd like to see a stat on the average time from rebound or made basket to the top of the key going to other way. I can garuntee you it would be significantly faster. Just because we haven't scored as many points as last year 4 games in doesn't mean we aren't playing any faster.

ken pomeroy has a tempo stat, as defined here:

Tempo: We can estimate possessions very well from box score stats by using this formula: FGA-OR+TO+0.475xFTA.
For each team, possessions are counted for the team and their opponents, and then averaged. A team’s average tempo is total possessions divided by minutes. This value is then adjusted for schedule, considering the preferred pace of each opponent and when each game was played.

Our tempo last year was 69.1 (80th in the country). Our tempo this year is 69.6 (76th in the country).

[kucyclone]

I can't find any stats for fast break points. And you can't tell me that overall points is an indication of tempo. Even if we have less fast break points this year than last year we are still a much more up-tempo year. It all comes down to converting the opportunities, which we missed several opportunities in yesterdays game (especially in the first half). On top of the I'd like to see a stat on the average time from rebound or made basket to the top of the key going to other way. I can garuntee you it would be significantly faster. Just because we haven't scored as many points as last year 4 games in doesn't mean we aren't playing any faster.

Please define up-tempo for me.

I would assume, under any definition, that playing up-tempo would lead to more offensive possessions per game. That hasn't been the case through four games.

[Clones85']

There is a large difference so far in pace for ISU this year as opposed to last. Huge difference. We are taking shots that would have gotten pulled last year. We may be on pace right now but I am guessing over the course of a season you will see that this years team plays at a quicker tempo

[CycloneJames]

Please define up-tempo for me.

I would assume, under any definition, that playing up-tempo would lead to more offensive possessions per game. That hasn't been the case through four games.

I would say up-tempo is subjective. And while generally I would agree that playing up-tempo would generate more offensive possessions, it doens't have to. If you push the ball up the court every chance you get, but more often than not the defense got back quickly, then the offense will settle into a set play. I'm not saying we run a Grinell offense where we throw up a three before 10 seconds have elapsed. But in my opinion from going to the games, we push the ball up the floor much quicker than we did under Gmac. Obviously, its hard to compare 4 games from this year with 4 games from last year because we are comparing playing pasties. It will be interesting to see how we play against better competition. Although I would argue if ISU played Creighton last year the score would have been in the 60's or 70's and not the 90's. But both teams shot the ball very well.