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[Goldfinger]

For all the people saying Hilton wasn't loud enough last night, turn this game on and tell me who is louder, us or them? They're actually ranked too.

the only people who say Hilton wasn't loud Wednesday night, were people who weren't in Hilton. The crowd tried it really did, but timeouts and ku baskets kept it from being sustained. But at times it was very loud, I was proud. One of the little Hoiberg kids was covering his ears with his hands.

[ce1]

1. Tubby Smith is the best thing to happen to Minnesota Basketball since I've been alive. I don't know who you've been talking to, but everyone I know loves Tubby.

2. Colton is still a sophomore. He is only going to get stronger and more confident, and from what I've seen, he is far from a black hole. Devoe was a black hole. And if anyone on the Gophs is confused all the time its Ralph.

+1

There's always a vocal minority that won't be happy with a coach after 3-4 years if the team hasn't won a championship. That's the case with the Gopher fanbase. But overall, i'd say 7 out of 10 people are happy with what Tubby is doing. Myself included.

Personally, i like Ralph's game better than Colton. Colton hasn't proven to me that he can be an effective scorer at the high D1 level.

[ce1]

I don't know just how old you are, but Clem Haskins won 10 NCAA tournament games while at Minnesota, including a Final4 trip in 1997. Sure, all hell broke loose after an acedemic scandal, but it is still hard to ignore what Minnesota was like in the mid-1990s. Tubby is a great coach, but until he has some type of NCAA tournament success, Haskins will be the guy that put Minnesota basketball on the map. Before Haskins, Minnesota had a total of 2 NCAA Tournament appearances. Haskins is to Minnesota what Orr was to ISU.

Gophers only had 3 NCAA appearances under Clem, and one of them was wiped off the record books. Tubby already has two in a lot less time.

Clem isn't viewed by Gopher fans like Johnny is viewed by Cyclone fans, because of the academic scandal, which was HUGE. It set the program back 10 years, and don't think that Gopher fans forget (or forgive) that. Things like coach complicity in having academic advisers write term papers for athletes just doesn't go over well in Minnesota. Nor would it, i suspect, at Iowa State or Iowa either. This ain't $EC-land.

[CycloneYoda]

Gophers only had 3 NCAA appearances under Clem, and one of them was wiped off the record books. Tubby already has two in a lot less time.

Clem isn't viewed by Gopher fans like Johnny is viewed by Cyclone fans, because of the academic scandal, which was HUGE. It set the program back 10 years, and don't think that Gopher fans forget (or forgive) that. Things like coach complicity in having academic advisers write term papers for athletes just doesn't go over well in Minnesota. Nor would it, i suspect, at Iowa State or Iowa either. This ain't $EC-land.

Minnesota, under Haskins, went to the NCAA tournament in 1989, 1994, 1995, 1997, and 1999. That would be 5 trips, not 3. In order to keep things fair, 3 of those trips, not just one, were later vacated. Vacated doesn't mean they are wiped off the books. Vacated means to get an cute asterisk in the record book. When a team vacates a win, it does not mean the opposing team is credited with a victory. All it does is indicate that somebody broke some rules. I don't expect Goofer fans to forgive and forget, but to say Haskins didn't build that program is just plain ignorant.

[ia8manfan]

I always thought of The Barn as the child that Hilton and State Gym would have if gyms could procreate.

[asmosis]

1. Tubby Smith is the best thing to happen to Minnesota Basketball since I've been alive. I don't know who you've been talking to, but everyone I know loves Tubby.

2. Colton is still a sophomore. He is only going to get stronger and more confident, and from what I've seen, he is far from a black hole. Devoe was a black hole. And if anyone on the Gophs is confused all the time its Ralph.

1. The two fans I was sitting next to last night sure aren't in love with Tubby. They are definitely happy to have him, but they were sure ******* and moaning about being able to hold serve at home, and not playing down to the level of competition when the lowly big 10 teams come to town. By the way, the two guys next to me, and the gentleman who lent me his tickets have all been season ticket holders for about 20 years. They know their gopher bball. Yes, I know and would agree that Tubby is the best thing to happen to Gopher basketball. He was an amazing hire, but he's not an elite coach anymore because he refuses to adapt or even slightly alter his rigid system... and the fans up here are starting to realize it. He's not gonna be bringing them big 10 titles and top-3 seeds in the tourney consistently.

2. I've been to two games this year, watched a few others and Iverson is by far the biggest black hole on offense. Sampson would probably come in 2nd on my list. (Devoe didn't play in the two games I've been to and he's no longer with the team) Iverson is basically a "middleman" on O. He just wants to get the ball out of his hands quickly and rarely looks for his own shot or establishes himself on the block. He gets pushed around by opponents consistently. One of the games I went to was the preseason game against Winona St. Clayton Vette ate him alive in that game. He'd get the ball on the block, would either spin around him or turn to face him and drive right by. He may only be a sophomore, but he doesn't show a solid foundation of skill and athleticism to really blossom from. He's a backup post in the big 10 at best for all 4 years. Railey and Godfrey are already more impressive, aggressive and offer greater potential.

Finally, I can't believe that Williams holds 14,000. I know it does now after looking it up, but it looks like 8K at best when you are in there. The upper deck is so shallow and the main level doesn't appear to be that much deeper than Hilton.

[Max57]

If there are Minnesota fans disappointed in Tubby they should be careful of what they wish for. See: Iowa

edited to note: and ISU under McDumbit

[CycloneYoda]

If there are Minnesota fans disappointed in Tubby they should be careful of what they wish for. See: Iowa

They need to look at what happened to Kentucky under Gillepsie.

[cyclone13]

One thing I always notice with the Barn is their student section seems really small and most of the people attending the games are older alumni.

Tubby is a good coach but for some reasons, I have not been very impressed with the team. I was at the game against Virginia (where they self-destructed in the 2nd half) and the game against SDSU.

The game against SDSU showed that they struggled to put the game to rest although the Gophers were much better athletes. Saw Jordan Dykstra, former McD's commit - good player, fundamentally sound, but probably not a Big 12 calibre player.

[Rural]

The cure for what ails Colton Iverson is coming to town Sunday.

[ce1]

Minnesota, under Haskins, went to the NCAA tournament in 1989, 1994, 1995, 1997, and 1999. That would be 5 trips, not 3. In order to keep things fair, 3 of those trips, not just one, were later vacated. Vacated doesn't mean they are wiped off the books. Vacated means to get an cute asterisk in the record book. When a team vacates a win, it does not mean the opposing team is credited with a victory. All it does is indicate that somebody broke some rules. I don't expect Goofer fans to forgive and forget, but to say Haskins didn't build that program is just plain ignorant.

You're right about appearances, my apologies. For some reason '94 and '95 got vacated in my head. Perhaps its the image of Byron Scott burying my favorite Gopher team of all time in the regional finals (1990 squad).

Don't know about the ignorant part of your argument though. True, Clem built the program up. But he tore it down also, and handed it off in ruins. Enter Monson and the horrible years, and the program hasn't recovered. My point was (and still is) there's a big difference between what Clem did for Minnesota and what Johnny did for Iowa State. Johnny handed off a viable program in great shape. Clem set the program back 10 years and embarrassed the Gophers nationally. What i think isn't correct (note: not ignorant) is that Clem is to Minnesota what Johnny is to Iowa State. Having been a huge fan of both programs for two decades, i would say that is not correct.

[CycloneYoda]

You're right about appearances, my apologies. For some reason '94 and '95 got vacated in my head. Perhaps its the image of Byron Scott burying my favorite Gopher team of all time in the regional finals (1990 squad).

Don't know about the ignorant part of your argument though. True, Clem built the program up. But he tore it down also, and handed it off in ruins. Enter Monson and the horrible years, and the program hasn't recovered. My point was (and still is) there's a big difference between what Clem did for Minnesota and what Johnny did for Iowa State. Johnny handed off a viable program in great shape. Clem set the program back 10 years and embarrassed the Gophers nationally. What i think isn't correct (note: not ignorant) is that Clem is to Minnesota what Johnny is to Iowa State. Having been a huge fan of both programs for two decades, i would say that is not correct.

My comparisons between Haskins and Orr were in reference to the fact that both of these men took programs that were non-existent and built something that worked. Yes, Orr left ISU with something in the cupboard. Haskins decided to burn out instead of fade away. For this he will always be a villian, just as Holtz will always be a villian in Minnesota football lore.

[ce1]

My comparisons between Haskins and Orr were in reference to the fact that both of these men took programs that were non-existent and built something that worked. Yes, Orr left ISU with something in the cupboard. Haskins decided to burn out instead of fade away. For this he will always be a villian, just as Holtz will always be a villian in Minnesota football lore.

Holtz who?

I always enjoy your posts, CycloneYoda.

[CycloneYoda]

Holtz who?

I always enjoy your posts, CycloneYoda.

If you are discerning enough to sift through all the bullflop, there is much wisdom in my words.

[Mayday]

1. Tubby Smith is the best thing to happen to Minnesota Basketball since I've been alive. I don't know who you've been talking to, but everyone I know loves Tubby.

2. Colton is still a sophomore. He is only going to get stronger and more confident, and from what I've seen, he is far from a black hole. Devoe was a black hole. And if anyone on the Gophs is confused all the time its Ralph.

Iverson is a junior.