Christopherson should be the 6th man...

**kingcy** · 01-27-2011, 11:25 AM

Scottie will start ever game until he graduates.

**cyfan4St8** · 01-27-2011, 11:43 AM

I think the finger pointing is going in the wrong direction here. Yeah nobody shot well last night, but our defense was just horrible. Vanderbeken is the worst down low. He is 6'11 and has concrete feet. He can't move or react. He doesn't rebound at all unless it falls into his hand and even at that point he drops it or looses it to the other team. If it wasn't for him being able hit threes he should not be on the court he is a lazy player out there.

**CYKOFAN** · 01-27-2011, 11:55 AM

I don't think JVB is lazy, just slow. He never has been or will be an inside player, but he can win games when he's hitting outside. He just wasn't last night.

**CyDude16** · 01-27-2011, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by CYKOFAN

I don't think JVB is lazy, just slow. He never has been or will be an inside player, but he can win games when he's hitting outside. He just wasn't last night.

So walking up the court isn't lazy, setting terrible screen isn't lazy, not going for rebounds isn't lazy?

Unless JVB is in a rhythm shooting he is beyond useless on the court. End of the story. Most people with common sense should realize this.

**Ficklone02** · 01-27-2011, 12:10 PM

Even if Scotty isn't hitting alot of shots he helps us space the floor, which allows Garrett to do what he does best. We're fine the way we are, we just need to play better defense. I could see Calvin starting though, especially in light of the fact that we struggle to bring great energy to the start of many games lately.

**CYKOFAN** · 01-27-2011, 12:11 PM

I must not have as much common sense as you do. I see a big and slow guy that is not near as athletic as the guys he has to play against. This is a fast game for athletic guys that can run, and keep running. It looks to me that JVB just can't keep up, and to me that doesn't mean he's not trying or lazy. He also has to play a lot more minutes than he ever has. JVB was meant to be a guy that comes off the bench to hit some 3's. He's been thrust into a situation where he has to do more, and he just doesn't have the skills to do it.

**Ficklone02** · 01-27-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by CYKOFAN

I must not have as much common sense as you do. I see a big and slow guy that is not near as athletic as the guys he has to play against. This is a fast game for athletic guys that can run, and keep running. It looks to me that JVB just can't keep up, and to me that doesn't mean he's not trying or lazy. He also has to play a lot more minutes than he ever has. JVB was meant to be a guy that comes off the bench to hit some 3's. He's been thrust into a situation where he has to do more, and he just doesn't have the skills to do it.

I agree, and I think Jamie would be more capable too if it wasn't for the tendonitis he has in at least one of his knees. For those that have never experienced tendonitis, it isn't exactly the gift that keeps on giving.

**CycloneYoda** · 01-27-2011, 12:16 PM

I'm glad the people who start "Player X should play instead of Player Y" threads aren't coaching basketball.

**cyfan4St8** · 01-27-2011, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by CYKOFAN

I must not have as much common sense as you do. I see a big and slow guy that is not near as athletic as the guys he has to play against. This is a fast game for athletic guys that can run, and keep running. It looks to me that JVB just can't keep up, and to me that doesn't mean he's not trying or lazy. He also has to play a lot more minutes than he ever has. JVB was meant to be a guy that comes off the bench to hit some 3's. He's been thrust into a situation where he has to do more, and he just doesn't have the skills to do it.

Well if he isn't very athletic and can't play the position that most 6'11 guys play he should be on the bench if he can't hit threes. And as far as
I'm concerned he shouldn't be on the floor unless we are down so far that we need a extra guy out there to hit a three. He is holding the team down!

**Tillweezy** · 01-27-2011, 12:20 PM

If the lineup changes at all, Ejim should be 6th man. Offensively Scottie is too valuable (even when not making shots) and although he's more of a liability on defense than Ejim, it doesn't over match his importance on the other side of the floor.

**cyfan4St8** · 01-27-2011, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ficklone02

I agree, and I think Jamie would be more capable too if it wasn't for the tendonitis he has in at least one of his knees. For those that have never experienced tendonitis, it isn't exactly the gift that keeps on giving.

I agree it is no fun I can speak from experience. But if he can't and is not healthy that is even more of a reason to have him on the bench unless you absolutly need him out there to just sit on the three point line like he does now. He is useless otherwise and teams are starting to play to that!

**Ficklone02** · 01-27-2011, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by jodysoma

I agree it is no fun I can speak from experience. But if he can't and is not healthy that is even more of a reason to have him on the bench unless you absolutly need him out there to just sit on the three point line like he does now. He is useless otherwise and teams are starting to play to that!

From what I've seen, the fact that he can pull the opponents five man out to the perimeter and open up the lane for DG is invaluable and makes up for alot of flaws that Jamie has. To help alleviate some of those flaws though, more and more I'm thinking we need Calvin to play more minutes.

**Cydog04** · 01-27-2011, 12:43 PM

Scott is still our 2nd leading scorer! Hes the best shooter on the team even though hes been in a slump lately. But teams pay a lot of attention to his 3 points shooting ability and I think that allows DG to get to the basket more cause they know they cant come off Scott to help. Ejim is struggleing and should probably be the 6th man not Scott.

**cysocool** · 01-27-2011, 12:55 PM

The difference between SC and JV is that JV creates more of a match-up problem for opposing defenses. We need to maximize our match-up advantages for our lack of athleticism and depth against big 12 competition IMO.

**cysocool** · 01-27-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneYoda

I'm glad the people who start "Player X should play instead of Player Y" threads aren't coaching basketball.

I take offense to this CycloneYoda... I've learned from the best, i.e. Johnny Orr, Jim Hallihan, Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, and Fred Hoiberg. Also I attended Johnny Orr's basketball camp 5 times, the greatest basketball camp of all-time.