Question for the Officials out there

**ruxCYtable** · 01-31-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by khaal53

Agreed on the inconsistencies.

I think the biggest issue with keeping things consistent is the 3 officials calling things differently in different spots on the floor. Since the rotate around from possession to possession and even within a possession it can really make it difficult for the players to understand what the refs are calling.

For instance, one ref may be more likely to call moving screens that are more obvious on the perimeter, one may be more likely to call a hand check or a carry, one may let more things go in block/charge situations, etc... Really messes things up and it is difficult for refs to get on the same page too, if they are even trying. It would be ideal if each ref would have the same area at each end of the floor...but that isn't very practical.

I think you have touched on something here. At the college level they don't schedule crews, each official is assigned individually. If those guys do not work together frequently they may not all be on the same page.

At the high school level, I work with the same two guys every night. We take it seriously and we care about calling the game consistently. We discuss every call in the locker room and on the trip home. We talk about how we as a crew should handle that situation if it happens again. We get on the same page. I think at the college level they lose some of that cohesion.

How well would a team play if you just pieced together different guards, forwards and centers every night?

**clones_jer** · 01-31-2011, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by J-Diggy

It was about as animated I as have seen Hoiberg towards the officials. He was visible upset numerous times and I got the feeling if the score had gotte out of hand we might have seen his first T.

The 10 second call - which was clearly a violation as it was showing 25 on the shot clock - was really bad. I know its on the refs count but when you have visual evidence like that it really makes them look stupid.

I know the 10-second count was frustrating, to both fan and coach, but that one was done right. If the NCAA wants to go to a clocked-10 count all they have to do is change the rule and implement it. you try to count 10 seconds sometime and see if you're a half-second long or short. That's all the ref was saying to Fred "its my count not the clock, I'm trying to be accurate but I may have been off by a second or two" - unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done about it.

**VeloClone** · 01-31-2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by ruxCYtable

I think you have touched on something here. At the college level they don't schedule crews, each official is assigned individually. If those guys do not work together frequently they may not all be on the same page.

At the high school level, I work with the same two guys every night. We take it seriously and we care about calling the game consistently. We discuss every call in the locker room and on the trip home. We talk about how we as a crew should handle that situation if it happens again. We get on the same page. I think at the college level they lose some of that cohesion.

How well would a team play if you just pieced together different guards, forwards and centers every night?

I didn't realize this. I hadn't payed that close of attention and thought they worked the games as crews. I guess they should stop referring to them as officiating crews, then shouldn't they.

I guess this explains why once in a great while you will watch a game and swear that two of the officials are trying to wrench the game from each other. I guess this could explain some of that.

**statsaholic** · 01-31-2011, 02:08 PM

My take... it was of somewhat limited severity, but I cant fault the officials on the JVB call at the end of the first half. He set up and his bump did make it look maybe worse than it was, but I think the official was fair in his call (in that instance). Now for instance on the overruled 10-second call, not so much. Should not have gotten a timeout. Turnover OU

Originally Posted by clones_jer

on the possession previous we pushed someone (I think it was JVB doing it) on the baseline and got away with it ... I remember thinking the ref probably missed it and was looking for anything to get on JVB after that.

for the record he was moving on a blind screen - though the contact was pretty minimal.

that's not the way you're supposed to do it, but its hard to convince the subconsious of that.

**tec71** · 01-31-2011, 02:24 PM

Although I'm retired from it now, I have refereed a lot over the years with one philosophy. If it's a foul or a violation 30 seconds into the game it's one at the end. If it's a foul or violation at the time it doesn't matter if I screwed something else up earlier, I should get it right that time with that play for which I can control my actions. Doesn't mean you always get it right but in my experience if you start trying to "make up" calls or to move your line from what is a foul or a violation because you've let one go or missed a call earlier you are doomed to be inconsistent the rest of the way. And yes to me it was a foul at the end.

**VeloClone** · 01-31-2011, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by tec71

Although I'm retired from it now, I have refereed a lot over the years with one philosophy. If it's a foul or a violation 30 seconds into the game it's one at the end. If it's a foul or violation at the time it doesn't matter if I screwed something else up earlier, I should get it right that time with that play for which I can control my actions. Doesn't mean you always get it right but in my experience if you start trying to "make up" calls or to move your line from what is a foul or a violation because you've let one go or missed a call earlier you are doomed to be inconsistent the rest of the way. And yes to me it was a foul at the end.

Thanks, tec. Sounds like we could use a few of your type back out of retirement.