Bruce Pearl Fired

**marothisu** · 03-21-2011, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by volclone

Tell that to Kelvin Sampson. Or Dave Bliss. Not saying he's done forever, but he won't get a job for the next couple of years.

Are you also seriously comparing Dave Bliss to Bruce Pearl? Dave Bliss basically covered up a murder. Bruce Pearl made too many phone calls to a few recruits, then lied about it to a few people at the NCAA. That's not even CLOSE to a murder cover-up. Are you serious? Let's not forget that Bliss' Big 12 conference win % was .400 while Pearl's in the SEC was just under .700. In 9 seasons, Bliss only made the NCAA tournament 1 time and the NIT 1 time. Even if he didn't cover up a murder, why WOULD anybody want to hire him? He sucked as a coach anyway.

Also, I didn't say right away. Kelvin Sampson didn't even take any time off from coaching at any level either. You can't even use that as an example. He basically got fired and went right into the NBA with the Spurs within 3 weeks. Now he's with the Bucks.

**Cyclonestate78** · 03-21-2011, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

Are you also seriously comparing Dave Bliss to Bruce Pearl? Dave Bliss basically covered up a murder. Bruce Pearl made too many phone calls to a few recruits, then lied about it to a few people at the NCAA. That's not even CLOSE to a murder cover-up. Are you serious?

Also, I didn't say right away. Kelvin Sampson didn't even take any time off from coaching at any level either. You can't even use that as an example. He basically got fired and went right into the NBA with the Spurs within 3 weeks. Now he's with the Bucks.

The NCAA ruled that Kelvin could no longer wear his awesome denim button up shirts on the sideline anymore so he left for the NBA. The NCAA said in a statement that they could overlook Sampson's recruiting violations but they had to draw the line at his rodeo attire on the sidelines.

Erin Andrews was the NCAA's star witness against Sampson.

She stated "The guy smells like a steaming pile of bull ****."

**volclone** · 03-21-2011, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

Are you also seriously comparing Dave Bliss to Bruce Pearl? Dave Bliss basically covered up a murder. Bruce Pearl made too many phone calls to a few recruits, then lied about it to a few people at the NCAA. That's not even CLOSE to a murder cover-up. Are you serious? Let's not forget that Bliss' Big 12 conference win % was .400 while Pearl's in the SEC was just under .700. In 9 seasons, Bliss only made the NCAA tournament 1 time and the NIT 1 time. Even if he didn't cover up a murder, why WOULD anybody want to hire him? He sucked as a coach anyway.

Also, I didn't say right away. Kelvin Sampson didn't even take any time off from coaching at any level either. You can't even use that as an example. He basically got fired and went right into the NBA with the Spurs within 3 weeks. Now he's with the Bucks.

You're putting words in my mouth...I'm not saying what Bruce did is the same as what Bliss or Sampson did. But in the eyes of the NCAA it will be the same. Lying to the NCAA is a capital offense....like it or not.

**CyJack13** · 03-21-2011, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

He's 231-99 as a Division 1 coach. He is 145-61 at Tennessee, 65-31 in SEC conference play, and he's made the NCAA tournament EVERY YEAR. He's been to the NCAA Tournament 8 times out of the 10 seasons he's been a coach, including 3 sweet 16s and an Elite 8. If you seriously think he's done as a D1 coach, then you need to learn about basketball.

You have no idea what you're talking about. This has absolutely nothing to do with on court performance.

**marothisu** · 03-21-2011, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

You have no idea what you're talking about. This has absolutely nothing to do with on court performance.

Oh, it has to do with both. if Caliperi was never a good coach - just average or worse, he would have a hard time getting a job. Pearl committed a minor violation and lied about it. There are many, many worse things that have happened with lying and recruiting violations in the game and the coaches still get hired by other D1 schools.

**swarthmoreCY** · 03-21-2011, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

You have no idea what you're talking about. This has absolutely nothing to do with on court performance.

That is a little strong. How good of coach you is a factor in how much a school is willing to endure or overlook in terms of giving Pearl a 2nd chance. Pearl's record could be enough for a desperate program to hire him, even if sitting out a year due to show-cause.

**marothisu** · 03-21-2011, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by volclone

You're putting words in my mouth...I'm not saying what Bruce did is the same as what Bliss or Sampson did. But in the eyes of the NCAA it will be the same. Lying to the NCAA is a capital offense....like it or not.

So, let me get this straight. You think the NCAA holds lying about a murder and covering it up to police and the NCAA the same thing as lying about a barbecue?

Okay, yeah they both lied but I'm pretty sure what Bliss did would not get him hired in D1 ever again even if he won 5 national championships.

**CyJack13** · 03-21-2011, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

So, let me get this straight. You think the NCAA holds lying about a murder and covering it up to police and the NCAA the same thing as lying about a barbecue?

Okay, yeah they both lied but I'm pretty sure what Bliss did would not get him hired in D1 ever again even if he won 5 national championships.

Once you get a show cause penalty you're basically done coaching in D-1. There aren't different degrees of the penalty. Todd Bozeman, Clem Haskins, Sampson and Bliss all have been hit with this. Only Bozeman has got another job and that was 10 years later and at Morgan St.

**marothisu** · 03-21-2011, 05:17 PM

And yes it's a "capital offense" to the NCAA, but comparing a guy who covered up murder versus a guy who lied about a BBQ? Two different things. The Kelvin Sampson thing was a better comparison.

**CyJack13** · 03-21-2011, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

Oh, it has to do with both. if Caliperi was never a good coach - just average or worse, he would have a hard time getting a job. Pearl committed a minor violation and lied about it. There are many, many worse things that have happened with lying and recruiting violations in the game and the coaches still get hired by other D1 schools.

Why? Calipari has never been hit with any NCAA violations himself. He's never been blackballed from the coaching ranks.

**marothisu** · 03-21-2011, 05:25 PM

Okay.

Dave Bliss - Covered up a murder of a player of his and lied about it.

Clem Haskins - Minnesota players involved in a big academic scandal. A University worker basically did a bunch of homework/tests for players so they could be eligible.

Todd Bozeman - Gave money to a players' parents so they could watch their son play in games. Also accused of sexual harassment once.

Kelvin Sampson - Made too many phone calls to recruits and didn't tell Bruce Weber about Eric Gordon committing to Indiana.

Bruce Pearl - Invited a few recruits to a BBQ and lied about it.

Now yes, again, lying to the NCAA is *BAD* but what Dave Bliss, Clem Haskins, and even Bozeman did (although apart from the sexual har. accusations, wasn't like ..you know, covering up murder) is much worse than what Bruce Pearl did any day of the week.

Yes, the NCAA may see it as different [than me..they will see it as lying in general], but it's still unfair to bring up the likes of Bliss and Haskins into this. It's pretty obvious why nobody would ever give them a job in D1 again, and same for Bozeman for the most part.

**swarthmoreCY** · 03-21-2011, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

Okay.

Dave Bliss - Covered up a murder of a player of his and lied about it.

Clem Haskins - Minnesota players involved in a big academic scandal. A University worker basically did a bunch of homework/tests for players so they could be eligible.

Todd Bozeman - Gave money to a players' parents so they could watch their son play in games. Also accused of sexual harassment once.

Kelvin Sampson - Made too many phone calls to recruits and didn't tell Bruce Weber about Eric Gordon committing to Indiana.

Bruce Pearl - Invited a few recruits to a BBQ and lied about it.

Now yes, again, lying to the NCAA is *BAD* but what Dave Bliss, Clem Haskins, and even Bozeman did (although apart from the sexual har. accusations, wasn't like ..you know, covering up murder) is much worse than what Bruce Pearl did any day of the week.

Yes, the NCAA may see it as different [than me..they will see it as lying in general], but it's still unfair to bring up the likes of Bliss and Haskins into this. It's pretty obvious why nobody would ever give them a job in D1 again, and same for Bozeman for the most part.

Haskins never sought out another major college job. Sampson will get a shot, if he wants it, when his just-cause tag is up in 2013. Pearl will as well, assuming he even gets hit such a penalty.

**marothisu** · 03-21-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

Why? Calipari has never been hit with any NCAA violations himself. He's never been blackballed from the coaching ranks.

He's VERY lucky no violations ever came about anything. Look at the whole Derrick Rose thing. The NCAA even vacated their runner-up standing for 2008's National Championship. Rose's brother also traveled with the team "illegally" which would have been different violations. He's VERY lucky he's never gotten anything.

**marothisu** · 03-21-2011, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Haskins never sought out another major college job. Sampson will get a shot, if he wants it, when his just-cause tag is up in 2013. Pearl will as well, and assuming he even gets hit such a penalty.

Haskins would have to be an idiot to think he could have actually gotten another job after that academic scandal.

I agree too, Sampson will get another shot, maybe not a MAJOR team, but some mid-major will probably take him in a few years. Same with Pearl. They are both good coaches. If you can get them to not lie about a few things and to not make so many phone calls, they'll be great for some programs in the future.