Doug McDermott-harrison barnes

**tm3308** · 03-29-2011, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by simesclone

All I heard was how barnes could play in the NBA besides his sorry stats because he could " create his own shot ". Now your'e saying he needed a point guard to get shots for him?

I've gone on record as saying I don't think he's ready for the NBA. He's got all the talent, but I don't feel that he's ready.

But the fact that you CONTINUE to rag on him is just pathetic. If you don't want to read about him on this site, then don't open the threads about him. It's pretty simple. Even simpler: don't START threads about him. The kid made his choice, there's not thing one you can do about it, and it was the right choice for him. Let. It. Go.

**simesclone** · 03-29-2011, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by tm3308

I've gone on record as saying I don't think he's ready for the NBA. He's got all the talent, but I don't feel that he's ready.

But the fact that you CONTINUE to rag on him is just pathetic. If you don't want to read about him on this site, then don't open the threads about him. It's pretty simple. Even simpler: don't START threads about him. The kid made his choice, there's not thing one you can do about it, and it was the right choice for him. Let. It. Go.

I love to read about him on this site. It's funny how all you barnes lovers still don't reply to this thread. McDermott had a better year personally, but why aren't you on hear talking about him? Is it all the ESPN hype he got.

**tm3308** · 03-29-2011, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by simesclone

I love to read about him on this site. It's funny how all you barnes lovers still don't reply to this thread. McDermott had a better year personally, but why aren't you on hear talking about him? Is it all the ESPN hype he got.

Please explain how McDermott had a better year? Barnes outscored him (albeit not by much), also had more assists, blocks, and steals per game. And his team was playing in the Elite Eight this weekend.

McDermott's team is playing for the CBI title.

And if your argument is that McDermott put up similar numbers against equal or better competition, then you've really lost all credibility. The MVC is nowhere near the ACC this year, even while the ACC is down.

Also, your big "BOOM" comment was posted after midnight. You really expected a long line just waiting to refute you at that time? You're just THAT good at stimulating conversation?

**simesclone** · 03-29-2011, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by tm3308

Please explain how McDermott had a better year? Barnes outscored him (albeit not by much), also had more assists, blocks, and steals per game. And his team was playing in the Elite Eight this weekend.

McDermott's team is playing for the CBI title.

And if your argument is that McDermott put up similar numbers against equal or better competition, then you've really lost all credibility. The MVC is nowhere near the ACC this year, even while the ACC is down.

barnes outscored him by .7 points a game. McDermott had 2 more rebounds a game. barnes had like 1.4 assits per game to Mc's prob' 1. And I'll argue that barnes didn't have Greg McDermott as a coach holding him back. Beat that.

**simesclone** · 03-29-2011, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by tm3308

Please explain how McDermott had a better year? Barnes outscored him (albeit not by much), also had more assists, blocks, and steals per game. And his team was playing in the Elite Eight this weekend.

McDermott's team is playing for the CBI title.

And if your argument is that McDermott put up similar numbers against equal or better competition, then you've really lost all credibility. The MVC is nowhere near the ACC this year, even while the ACC is down.

Also, your big "BOOM" comment was posted after midnight. You really expected a long line just waiting to refute you at that time? You're just THAT good at stimulating conversation?

You think 1.4 to 1.2 assists per game is any difference? Blocks and steals for both were under 1 per game, and guess what? McD shot better from behind the 3 point line then barney.(Can you believe that?). Time to turn in your credits and go back to swaukeyenation.com where you came from.

**KMAC_ATTACK** · 03-29-2011, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by simesclone

You do know that barnes stunk in the pre-conference against the good teams they played. When they got into the crappy ACC he got better and raised his p.p.g for the year to almost 16 (wow).

Ok - just to get into this discussion a little bit... - Do you even watch college basketball? you think the ACC is crappy - does that mean you think that MVC is tough? Okay lets look at some real numbers....MVC was 0-8 against top 25 teams and 1-9 against ESPN/USA today top 25 teams with the only win being Evansville over Butler - ironic!!! Meanwhile the ACC had 12 wins against top 25 teams. But - i dont get it...ACC basketball is a perennial top tier conference....not to mention that North Carolina is starting 2 freshman, 2 sophomores and a junior. Of course it was going to take a while for that team to mesh...everyone had to figure out their roles.....The other thing is, in the ACC - Barnes is having to defend the other teams #3 which will more then likely will be a very skilled/athletic offensive player. In the missouri valley, doug came into the season physically able to match up to the 4 spot guys he would have to cover and athletically may even be better then some...point being, Doug might not have had to work as hard defensively as did harrison...

And regarding the comment about him doing nothing against the pre-season acc conference - not sure if you know this or not but they've been following this kid since he was 15.....he didnt just show up and someone decide that he's pretty good....He's been tearing up the top talent in the nation on the AAU circuit for 5 years..... McDermott - not so much...

I like doug - hated his dad for what he did to ISU basketball....but, i honestly think his dad steered him 100% correct...at UNI or Creighton, he has a chance to develop into a very nice player and have a ton of success. At ISU he could have been a Clayton Vette...I will 100% guarantee you that if he was facing Big 12 or crappy ACC talent every night out, his numbers would be substantially different. Lets just look at North carolina - what do you think Doug does against a Henson or Zeller for a night 15 pts a night (i think not). He's an Ames kid, i hope he develops and makes it into the NBA....i dont think he will because at 6-7 he's too small for the 4 position and with his athleticism at 6-7 he wont handle the 3 in the nba so he will be a D league player imo. However, Barnes projects as a 3 in the nba perfectly and if he chose to enter the draft could be the #1 overall pick....

Now maybe its just me, but, for the guys that make a lot of money to grade and draft these guys, that #1 pick better be right...they have to help their teams go, if they think barnes is that good, then i'm guessin, he might be good - regardless of his stats!!!!! In terms of Doug, i hope he succeeds but i hope Creighton fails miserable...thats nothing against Doug thats 100% on his dad for the failure he was at ISU....But for Harrison, i think its safe to say regardless of your analogies, that every coach in america including Greg McDermott would take harrison over Doug today, tomorrow, next week, next year or anytime after that....

**istater7** · 03-29-2011, 06:52 AM

I love how you quote your own posts. makes you look like even more of an idiot. anyway, this is really a dumb argument. first of all, barnes is a kid that is dealing with massive hype, egos around him, and is playing better talent. when did McDermott EVER put his team on his back in a game that
mattered and won it for them?

**CtownCyclone** · 03-29-2011, 07:06 AM

This is a great thread to start the workday off with. Not the legitimate posts where people make arguements based on facts/stats/etc. simesclone is either drunk or a 12 year old.

**Cyclonepride** · 03-29-2011, 07:24 AM

Even when Barnes was getting all of the attention, the clips that I saw including Doug made me think that he could be a player. When he started to enter our discussions, I thought that we should take a chance on him, as I saw some real potential there. When he went to Creighton and hit the floor, he exceeded my expectations.

However, Barnes is clearly at another level. Stats mean less on a virtual roster of all stars. The proof is in who becomes the go-to player when it's on the line in a big game (read: NCAA tournament game). That is no slight on Doug, as I think he's proven that he could compete at a high major level. I just don't think he would be as dominant there, and certainly not as dominant as Barnes.

**Acylum** · 03-29-2011, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by simesclone

I hope all of you barnes and unc lovers are cheering for Creighton to win the CBI. Doug is a Iowa kid, an Ames graduate, a freshman All-American. And has better stats then barnes. 15 points, 7.6 rebounds, FG% 52% . barnes-15.7 points, 5.8 rebounds, FG% 43%. Yet I've never seen a McDermott post on here.

Right now I'm cheering for the proper use of the English language.

**simesclone** · 03-29-2011, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by istater7

I love how you quote your own posts. makes you look like even more of an idiot. anyway, this is really a dumb argument. first of all, barnes is a kid that is dealing with massive hype, egos around him, and is playing better talent. when did McDermott EVER put his team on his back in a game that
mattered and won it for them?

And when he played the best teams he sucked. Like I said. He got into to the crappy ACC and raised his average to almost 16 points a game. That is great! And his 5 rebounds and 1.4 assists are all american numbers. McDermott has better stats but you aren't on here kissing his butt are you? You know why? Because you follow what people tell you to think. He's supposed to be "great" so you you believe it. Sad.

**cycloneworld** · 03-29-2011, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by simesclone

You think 1.4 to 1.2 assists per game is any difference? Blocks and steals for both were under 1 per game, and guess what? McD shot better from behind the 3 point line then barney.(Can you believe that?). Time to turn in your credits and go back to swaukeyenation.com where you came from.

Using this logic (and yes, it's bad), Hamilton Smith of Texas Southern is better than Derrick Williams of Arizona because he scored more points and had more assists. You can't directly compare stats of somone playing in a low-level mid-major conference to someone playing in a BCS conference.

There is a reason Harrison Barnes is a projected top 5 pick for this year's NBA draft and Doug McDermott isn't.

**BryceC** · 03-29-2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by simesclone

And when he played the best teams he sucked. Like I said. He got into to the crappy ACC and raised his average to almost 16 points a game. That is great! And his 5 rebounds and 1.4 assists are all american numbers. McDermott has better stats but you aren't on here kissing his butt are you? You know why? Because you follow what people tell you to think. He's supposed to be "great" so you you believe it. Sad.

This is an absolute lie.

I am very happy for Doug. I don't talk about Creighton because of what the thread will devolve into because it involves our old coach. Frankly I don't care about the MVC either.