Cornell Mann arrested for OWI in Dayton, OH Tuesday

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Originally Posted by IcSyU

Are you comparing texting and driving to drunk driving? Seriously?

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Well, he has already suggested we cannot demand more from coaches than players.

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Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Maybe you are drunk, but the difference between OWI and manslaughter is luck. The difference between murder and manslaughter is intent.

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By that though, the difference between distracted driving, running a red light, speeding, etc, and manslaughter is luck too. What would we do with any of those offenses?

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Originally Posted by Senolcyc

Because if he's guilty, he committed a serious crime as a highly paid, high profile employee just a few days after getting the job. Causes me to seriously question if he has the intelligence and maturity to work at my school.

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Well, first of all it is not a serious crime. It is a moving violation.
Second, if it is a crime but not immoral then what is the big deal?
Third, so now we just get rid of someone because you question their intelligence and maturity.
I suppose you support Royce White being on our team? How about Allen or Lucious? You certaintly can question their intelligence and maturity.

Or are we going to get back into the time thing again? Cause if it is only a question of timing then that is a really weak reason to let someone go.

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Originally Posted by ADIC - Effects of Alcohol Intoxication

BAC Effects

• 0.07-0.09 BAC: Slight impairment of balance, speech, vision, reaction time, and hearing. Euphoria. Judgement and self- control are reduced, and caution, reason and memory are impaired.
• 0.10-0.125 BAC: Significant impairment of motor coordination and loss of good judgement. Speech may be slurred; balance, vision, reaction time and hearing will be impaired. Euphoria. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle at this level of intoxication.
• 0.13-0.15 BAC: Gross motor impairment and lack of physical control. Blurred vision and major loss of balance. Euphoria is reduced and dysphoria is beginning to appear.
• 0.16-0.20 BAC: Dysphoria (anxiety, restlessness) predominates, nausea may appear. The drinker has the appearance of a "sloppy drunk."

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Haha, these charts always crack me. Your middle school guidance counselor would be so proud.

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Originally Posted by isuno1fan

Pretty obvious Hoiberg wants to keep him on staff IMO.

6 months from now, nobody will remember this unless he makes it a habit

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Recruit's parents and other coaching staffs won't.

Is there a stupidity clause in his contract? I'm intolerant of stupid people.

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Originally Posted by alarson

My favorite part is when people equate saying 'hold on a minute put down the torches and pitchforks' with 'not a big deal'. Its as big a deal as any other traffic offense of the same level. Running a stop light, distracted driving, excessive speeding, reckless driving, all are dangerous, but you dont see people getting their names plastered up in headlines, and people demanding they get fired. None of these are good things, but at the same time, you have to have an appropriate level of response, not just an emotional knee jerk reaction.

The problem is, over the last 25-30 years especially, thanks in large part to prohibitionist groups like MADD, we've taken it to where the automatic reaction is much, much more than is appropriate, with the level of danger of this crime vs other similarly dangerous offenses.

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Judgment of the driver can avoid problems caused by the aforementioned distracted driving issues.

Driving with a .16 shows the lack of ability to apply good judgment. I don't at all equate driving with a .16 and speeding or texting etc. If you equate the two then our disagreement is rooted in what you believe the effects of .16 on a person's ability to drive is.

I would also be willing to be that the mentioned studies about distracted driving were compared to someone driving at the .08-.09 range. Not even close to where Mann was.

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Originally Posted by alarson

By that though, the difference between distracted driving, running a red light, speeding, etc, and manslaughter is luck too. What would we do with any of those offenses?

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The chair..........

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Originally Posted by CycloneYoda

Fired for 1st offense OWI? Glad some of you are not my boss.

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Glad you are not my employee.

Drinking and driving is not bad luck, it demonstrates you are a liability, if not stupid.

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Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Well, he has already suggested we cannot demand more from coaches than players.

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If you want to look at the studies then be my guest because they show that someone who is texting and driving is more distracted than someone who is drinking and driving. Just because it isn't against the law in most places, doesn't mean it isn't dangerous. It is actually worse because the person is choosing to do something that is dangerous while they are not impaired by any substance.
Isn't this your whole problem, that it is dangerous to drive drunk because it could kill someone? If it is, then I don't know why you have a problem with drinking and driving and texting while driving?

Yes, driving drunk is a big deal. Don't think he should be let go though. Stupid decision, yes. Now he can share a life lesson with kids and parents while recruiting to say I screwed up, learned my lesson, and can better relate to the idiot decisions your kids will make in school and help to grow from them like I have.

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Originally Posted by vmbplayer

I would also be willing to be that the mentioned studies about distracted driving were compared to someone driving at the .08-.09 range. Not even close to where Mann was.

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I'll grant you that, but the fact is that an OWI is still much, much closer on level of scale to things like Speeding\Red light\Reckless driving than it is to shooting someone, and should be treated accordingly.

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Originally Posted by IcSyU

Are you comparing texting and driving to drunk driving? Seriously?

Same to the people comparing it to running a red light. Are you serious? OWI = running a red light? If people truly believe this, our society is totally ****ed.

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Whats the difference if you kill someone while texting and driving or while drinking and driving?

I feel like either way you kill someone.. but its OK if you're texting? Or if you run a red light?

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Originally Posted by CylentButDeadly

Haha, these charts always crack me. Your middle school guidance counselor would be so proud.

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I'm guessing you are one of the guys that can take 10 shots of Vodka wait 15 minutes and perform open heart surgery. The charts aren't accurate to 100% of people (especially related to how many drinks it takes to get there), but the BAC effects on motor ability are pretty accurate.

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Originally Posted by rholtgraves

If you want to look at the studies then be my guest because they show that someone who is texting and driving is more distracted than someone who is drinking and driving. Just because it isn't against the law in most places, doesn't mean it isn't dangerous. It is actually worse because the person is choosing to do something that is dangerous while they are not impaired by any substance.
Isn't this your whole problem, that it is dangerous to drive drunk because it could kill someone? If it is, then I don't know why you have a problem with drinking and driving and texting while driving?

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See the post above. I will guarantee you 95% of the time someone driving at .17 is a TON more impaired than someone texting.

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It is actually worse because the person is choosing to do something that is dangerous while they are not impaired by any substance.

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is total bull ****. You drank the substance, with that, you get this wonderful thing called accountability. You still make the conscious choice the texter does.

Just watch...we'll keep Mann and not get Henton now. Double whammy.