Cornell Mann arrested for OWI in Dayton, OH Tuesday

**ISUAlum2002** · 04-28-2011, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by everyyard

its not really intolerance for me. it is more that we just hire this guy and most people that land a big gig are pretty fricking cautious for a while, but not this guy. bad decision before ever setting foot here doesn't portend much for when he gets here. This was a dumb move at a VERY POOR TIME. Like I said, if he had been here a year or two I think we could have a good debate but to me there isn't much defense this early into his job.

This was my immediate thought as well. If he can't tread lightly immediately after getting this gig, I don't know how I could trust him if I were Fred.

**cloneswereall** · 04-28-2011, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

In most cases, yes.

And your reasoning? Kids won't see it (in another paper, and wouldn't be reported locally).

**swarthmoreCY** · 04-28-2011, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by cloneswereall

And your reasoning? Kids won't see it (in another paper, and wouldn't be reported locally).

That type of mindset probably means I can find someone better to demonstrate virtues that society values.

**kilgore_trout** · 04-28-2011, 09:53 PM

your intolerance appears to based on the timing of the mistake. not the mistake itself.

Originally Posted by everyyard

its not really intolerance for me. it is more that we just hire this guy and most people that land a big gig are pretty fricking cautious for a while, but not this guy. bad decision before ever setting foot here doesn't portend much for when he gets here. This was a dumb move at a VERY POOR TIME. Like I said, if he had been here a year or two I think we could have a good debate but to me there isn't much defense this early into his job.

**CYEATHAWK** · 04-28-2011, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by kilgore_trout

Hey all you judgers and crucifiers, ever hear of turning the other cheek or forgiveness or he who is without sin...

your intolerance is intolerable.

I think "go now and sin no more" is appropriate in this case.

**everyyard** · 04-28-2011, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by kilgore_trout

your intolerance appears to based on the timing of the mistake. not the mistake itself.

my intolerance is for stupidity. It isn't curable and this is a pretty extreme case. It isn't about the fact he had some beers or that he chose to drive or that he could have killed someone. It is about the fact that he just got a big gig and is STUPID.

**kilgore_trout** · 04-28-2011, 10:01 PM

that's ironic.

Originally Posted by everyyard

my intolerance is for stupidity.

**CyCrazy** · 04-28-2011, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

That type of mindset probably means I can find someone better to demonstrate virtues that society values.

If you are not Gods right hand man I don't know who is. You must be the purest Human being on this planet.

When my child is born will you baptise him?

**everyyard** · 04-28-2011, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by kilgore_trout

that's ironic.

so be it.

**IceCyIce** · 04-28-2011, 10:03 PM

Mann deserves some silent treatment. The kind of silent treatment that I get when I'm the doghouse at home. Let him figure out his own punishment. Once he figures it out kick him in the nads.

**Tre4ISU** · 04-28-2011, 10:05 PM

For me, this doesn't come down to morality or virtues. It comes down to how he is looked at by not only players and recruits but possibly parents. I just wonder how those people will look at them. I don't know how he'll be received. Will parents look at this as a huge obstacle? Will he even be recruiting much? I mean we have TJ and MA out there now so how important will be as a recruiter. I think Fred needs to weigh everything. Look at what he will be doing. If he's going to be a guy doing more in terms of Xs and Os and less on the recruiting trail, then maybe you keep him. If he is going to be an important part of recruiting, perhaps not. I don't really know the answer.

**swarthmoreCY** · 04-28-2011, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by CyCrazy

If you are not Gods right hand man I don't know who is. You must be the purest Human being on this planet.

When my child is born will you baptise him?

Notice I said society's values, not mind.

Suppose you are in charge of "somewhere that serves kids" and you ask a candidate how they feel about drinking and driving and their ability to do their job, and they respond:

It is not a big deal, "Kids won't see it (in another paper, and wouldn't be reported locally)"

Do you think this is the best person for the job?

**brokenloginagain** · 04-28-2011, 10:15 PM

interesting opinions from everyone. i can see why its so difficult for states to legislate laws/punishments for OWI.

i googled a few BAC "calculators" - turns out a 240lb man has to drink >10 beers in an hour just to get to 0.16. no idea if they're accurate but yikes!