Cornell Mann arrested for OWI in Dayton, OH Tuesday

[JUKEBOX]

I think Fred should be fired. What kind of person hires someone who would do this and not fire him immediatley. Also, he did not let go of Railey after his DUI and is still on the team after his latest incident. Furthermore, he brought recruits onto the team who have done things like steel laptops, get a DUI, and gotten kicked off their previous teams. He must seriously be lacking any maturity or intelligence.

I hope you forgot the jimlad.

[CloneIce]

I think Fred should be fired. What kind of person hires someone who would do this and not fire him immediatley. Also, he did not let go of Railey after his DUI and is still on the team after his latest incident. Furthermore, he brought recruits onto the team who have done things like steel laptops, get a DUI, and gotten kicked off their previous teams. He must seriously be lacking any maturity or intelligence.

I hope this is sarcastic. In years and years of following ISU athletics, I have never seen one single coach kick a player off the team for first offence OWI. Not once, and their have been dozens and dozens of athletes from all different sports charged with the crime. But your probably being sarcastic, and if so I agree with your sarcasm.

[rholtgraves]

I hope this is sarcastic. In years and years of following ISU athletics, I have never seen one single coach kick a player off the team for first offence OWI. Not once, and their have been dozens and dozens of athletes from all different sports charged with the crime. But your probably being sarcastic, and if so I agree with your sarcasm.

yeah, sorry I forogt the sarcastic thing.

[TedKumsher]

I think its a fair point. However, I dont think "driving" directly relates to his job function. Traveling and driving arent the same thing. He doesnt "drive" for a living. He probably flies to his destination cities. Then he could technically cab where ever he needs to go. Or hire some sort of driver on his own dime.
Now, what would a potential recruit think when he sees coach pulling up in a taxi?? Thats an entirely different conversation.

Frankly, you could completely subtract driving from any part of his job, and I would still say you would be hard pressed to argue that this incident isn't directly related to his job. Really, anyone whose job directly involves working with minors should think that this situation is directly related. Add the fact that he's part of the entirety of a staff/program that will dole out punishment in the form of suspensions for the exact same thing. Add that at least incidentally his job involves keeping student athletes out of trouble . . . I'm not talking about what attorney-speak language may or may not be in a formal written contract. That can never cover everything (though attorneys certainly try sometimes). Part of the job of public employees whose job includes working directly with minors is to NOT be a NEGATIVE role model. I'm not sayin' they have to be a positive role model. But you just can't have a negative role model in that position. Add that he hasn't even been hired for more than a week or 2 and I think there is credibility in an argument that firing him should be considered.

For the record -- I don't think he should automatically be fired. He probably should consider voluntarily resigning in disgrace/shame. I think firing him should at least be a possibility. I know very little facts -- so perhaps something could come out that wouldn't make it seem so bad. At this time, with what little I think I know, I consider it fairly emabarassing to ISU. Though I'm not really sure what that means. "It's complicated". Seems trite, but it's true.

[Three4Cy]

Wejis - Dayton Municipal Court

[Aclone]

For the record -- I don't think he should automatically be fired. He probably should consider voluntarily resigning in disgrace/shame.

Yes, because everyone who is ever arrested should just give up on life, and crawl under a rock!

(<-I didn't forget!!!)

Are you freakin' out of your mind??? Get off your moral high horse, and take a look at real life! Seriously!

Mann made a mistake, not one that was exacerbated by any type of personal injuries. He will be punished appropriately by the court of the state in which he transgressed. He will pay for his transgression within the legal system, as well as whatever treatment or counseling that his employer (Fred and ISU) deems appropriate. On top of that, if you think that this won't come up in his next salary negotiations (has he signed a contract yet? If so, when it's renewed), you are very short sighted. It will come up in every salary negotiation the rest of his life, even if he eventually becomes a head coach.

If he learns from this offense, uses it as a point of growth, responsibility and maturity, then he becomes an example to young men, many of whose lives are all too often touched by one type of substance abuse or another.

We all make mistakes. The key is to grow beyond and learn from them.

[Cyforce]

Yes, because everyone who is ever arrested should just give up on life, and crawl under a rock!

(<-I didn't forget!!!)

Are you freakin' out of your mind??? Get off your moral high horse, and take a look at real life! Seriously!

Mann made a mistake, not one that was exacerbated by any type of personal injuries. He will be punished appropriately by the court of the state in which he transgressed. He will pay for his transgression within the legal system, as well as whatever treatment or counseling that his employer (Fred and ISU) deems appropriate. On top of that, if you think that this won't come up in his next salary negotiations (has he signed a contract yet? If so, when it's renewed), you are very short sighted. It will come up in every salary negotiation the rest of his life, even if he eventually becomes a head coach.

If he learns from this offense, uses it as a point of growth, responsibility and maturity, then he becomes an example to young men, many of whose lives are all too often touched by one type of substance abuse or another.

We all make mistakes. The key is to grow beyond and learn from them.

How does he recruit if he can't drive?

[ItsCyence]

How does he recruit if he can't drive?

Helicopter.

[ISUAgronomist]

How does he recruit if he can't drive?

From Ohio records listed above:

motion for a stay of the ALS

If this is approved he will retain driving privileges.

[everyyard]

I still say that the timing is PRETTY BAD. I might just think of the guy with a shake of my head if he had been here a year or two and done this, but there aren't many jobs that you can get hired for and cause a major embarrassment to the company before you even get to the office after you're hired and still survive to work there.

[kilgore_trout]

or perhaps airboat?

Helicopter.

[Cydkar]

Treadmill?

[ItsCyence]

Treadmill?

Stationary Bike

[Tre4ISU]

This is probably the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on this board.

On a broad scope, yes. I'm sure plenty of people can handle driving at .08 or .1. In this instance though, the difference between the situation Mann is in now and a worse situation he could have been in is luck. He could have just as well hit another car. I'm not going to reach to the point where I play the "He could have killed someone" card because the fact is he didn't. We deal in what actually happened here, not what could have happened. In all honesty, maybe it's good he crashed. Hopefully it scared the **** out of him and now he has a story for some of these kids on how he almost lost his life doing this ridiculous thing. I mean, that could be a positive.

(Yes, I'm spinning like a mofo here)

[nfrine]

Fred and staff were in Marshalltown last evening for a fund raiser at the community college. According to a couple of the staff, Cornell was totally out of character with this action. He is embarrassed...the staff appears to be very much behind him for what it's worth. Fred did not mention Cornell in his formal talk.