Cornell Mann arrested for OWI in Dayton, OH Tuesday

**RustShack** · 04-28-2011, 04:41 PM

I think he Fred has a backup option who he thinks would be better for ISU I could see him being let go. BUT I'm assuming Mann was his best option, hence why he was hired.

Fred has shown that he is all about giving people second chances so far, he isn't going to fire Mann for his first OWI.

**Senolcyc** · 04-28-2011, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by rholtgraves

So time is now a factor in morality or whether something is right or wrong?

So one year ago it is moral and now it is immoral?

How long does it take for an OWI to turn into something that is okay?

Has nothing to do with morality.

**ItsCyence** · 04-28-2011, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by vmbplayer

So what is your argument, is it about the actual offense not being a big deal, or is the fact that it isn't a big deal that forgives it with a substance class and some community service (which our coaches do anyway)?

Driving at .16 is like pointing a loaded gun at someone, you don't do it unless you are prepared to kill what you're pointing it at. He was not driving buzzed. He was driving at a BAC level where people frequently need assistance to even stand up.

If it's on a completely different level than shooting someone let me ask you this. Had he killed someone while he was driving that night would you keep him on the staff? Or do you disagree that it is dangerous to drive with a .16?

If he killed someone this would be a very different situation. It is bad he drove at .16 but, he shouldn't be fired.

**brokenloginagain** · 04-28-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by madcityCY

I would not be fired if I got an OWI/ DUI

that's because you live in wisconsin. half the state would be fired if that were the case.

**Mr Janny** · 04-28-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by RustShack

I think he Fred has a backup option who he thinks would be better for ISU I could see him being let go. BUT I'm assuming Mann was his best option, hence why he was hired.

Fred has shown that he is all about giving people second chances so far, he isn't going to fire Mann for his first OWI.

This. Based on what we've seen of our coach, he's a second chance kind of guy, and judging by what has come out so far, it sounds like Mann will not be fired. Like it or not, people just need to deal with it. 6 months from now, no one will care.

**CYphyllis** · 04-28-2011, 04:45 PM

I can't tell if you people in uproar about a DUI are just that overly naive or if there is some other underlying issue here.

**RustShack** · 04-28-2011, 04:45 PM

So if he hadn't been pulled over, but Fred(or you) still heard he drove drunk.. do you still want him fired? And no, he didn't kill anyone.

I could be in jail right now if I killed someone too, but I didn't, so I'm not.

**rholtgraves** · 04-28-2011, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Senolcyc

Has nothing to do with morality.

So if this has nothing to do with morallity then why would we fire him?

**Judoka** · 04-28-2011, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by brokenloginagain

the only difference between OWI and manslaughter is luck.

Whoa there. We aren't MADD here. Not all OWI's are created equal. Also, not everyone is a public face for the university and just got hired a week ago.

If some proffesor gets popped for blowing a .11 because they were speeding or something, I'd have a lot of sympathy and would expect them to keep their job.

Hell, if some random proffesor got into a single car accident and blew a .17 I'd expect them to be required to undergo counseling, but keep their job.

If a newly hired guy who sits in recruits living rooms and is also supposed to be one of their mentors gets popped for .17 due to getting in a single car accident a week after getting hired, I'd expect him to be canned.

**vmbplayer** · 04-28-2011, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by ItsCYence

If he killed someone this would be a very different situation. It is bad he drove at .16 but, he shouldn't be fired.

So had he been equally as drunk, but less fortunate it would be a different situation?

So if a child runs in front of his car and he can't react while he's at .16 and runs them over it's different because a child was there, but if he takes that same route home and the child isn't there he's okay.

**RustShack** · 04-28-2011, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by CYphyllis

I can't tell if you people in uproar about a DUI are just that overly naive or if there is some other underlying issue here.

A lot of people here are completely insane. They want people fired and players kicked off the team for the smallest incidents.. and no I'm not talking about just this one. I have a hard time believing that half the people here who want these guys gone have never made a mistake in their life.

**oldman** · 04-28-2011, 04:47 PM

Its a misdemeanor, not a felony. Maybe his old coaches took him out to celebrate, and he got too happy. Not very smart, but I think he should be given another chance.

**alarson** · 04-28-2011, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by vmbplayer

So what is your argument, is it about the actual offense not being a big deal, or is the fact that it isn't a big deal that forgives it with a substance class and some community service (which our coaches do anyway)?

Driving at .16 is like pointing a loaded gun at someone, you don't do it unless you are prepared to kill what you're pointing it at. He was not driving buzzed. He was driving at a BAC level where people frequently need assistance to even stand up.

If it's on a completely different level than shooting someone let me ask you this. Had he killed someone while he was driving that night would you keep him on the staff? Or do you disagree that it is dangerous to drive with a .16?

I'm saying its a more minor offense than shooting someone, that's for sure. And that with more minor offenses, such as a DUI, they are forgivable if it is not a pattern of behavior.

We dont, or at least shouldnt treat people on what their actions could have done. We base punishment on what was done. So its completely irrelevant to say 'what if he killed someone, would you keep him around' (of course not)'

If i drive 55 in a 90, i theoretically could kill someone. If i did, i could be charged with vehicular manslaughter. If i just got pulled over for that speed, there's no way it gets the kind of overreaction an OWI does, even though going double the speed limit was likely just as, if not more dangerous.