DG is impressing some scouts

**AllIowaTeams** · 05-08-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by dbronco7sc

What's crazy about comparing DG to Rondo???

I think that's perfectly legit. Look at Rondo's college stats... yeah... we're talking about DG's senior year which Rondo never had... but Rondo was never a scorer in college. DG had him in assists and Free Throw % (by a lot) as a sophomore. And DG was able to prove that he only got better (significantly) as he got older.

Yeah... nobody's comparing him to somebody who was similar in college and failed in the NBA because the point people are trying to make is that it's possible to be successful at the next level despite his weight, so people are listing examples. And I don't think what Rondo did in college vs DG shows a clear difference in Elite talent.

In fact... I'd personally give DG the advantage there. And that's not even considering the surrounding talent each guy had.

Rondo's sophomore stats and DG's senior stats are fairly comparable. DG averaged more points and 1 more assist, and Rondo averaged a tad more steals and a few more boards. However, Rondo played 6 less minutes per game, and as the bolded part indicates was not relied on to do everything for his team, which his statistics reflect.

Rondo was also good enough to be drafted in the 1st round after his sophomore season. So I guess I don't see how DG has the advantage in college when Rondo was good enough to go in the 1st round after his sophomore year, and DG may or may not be taken late in the 2nd round after his senior year.

For the record I think the "he needs to bulk up" argument is a silly one. Talent is talent regardless of body size.

**tyler24** · 05-08-2011, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by AllIowaTeams

Rondo's sophomore stats and DG's senior stats are fairly comparable. DG averaged more points and 1 more assist, and Rondo averaged a tad more steals and a few more boards. However, Rondo played 6 less minutes per game, and as the bolded part indicates was not relied on to do everything for his team, which his statistics reflect.

Rondo was also good enough to be drafted in the 1st round after his sophomore season. So I guess I don't see how DG has the advantage in college when Rondo was good enough to go in the 1st round after his sophomore year, and DG may or may not be taken late in the 2nd round after his senior year.

For the record I think the "he needs to bulk up" argument is a silly one. Talent is talent regardless of body size.

I will say this, Rondo would not be near as good a player as he is without Garnett, Allen, and Pierce. You throw any unselfish point guard in there and he is going to look good. The thing about Rondo is beside the fact the he is surround by such amazing talent, he is very very athletic. That is probably the main difference between him and Garrett coming out of college.

**Dryburn** · 05-08-2011, 06:28 PM

I would love to see where Diante would have been had he had FH as his coach for the last 4 years instead of just one. I hope other guard recruits think about that when they consider ISU.

I still say that Diante's size is not going to matter a bit. If an NBA team feels he needs to add 10-15 pounds they know their conditioning people can put that on him with no problem.

His only drawback will be his 3-pt. shooting percentage. Shooting less than 32 per cent from 3 point range puts him below virtually every starting point guard in the NBA and that was at the college distance. If he were closer to 40 per cent or above it, there would be no concern. The only way he can improve that is practice, and maybe hire a shooting coach to help him. His free throw shooting could stand to improve a little too. The only way to try and improve shooting that I know of is to practice, practice, practice. Start shooting 500 (or more) shots a day.

Personally, I would love to see the Blazers draft him.....but they have other needs as well.

**Tre4ISU** · 05-08-2011, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by AllIowaTeams

Rondo's sophomore stats and DG's senior stats are fairly comparable. DG averaged more points and 1 more assist, and Rondo averaged a tad more steals and a few more boards. However, Rondo played 6 less minutes per game, and as the bolded part indicates was not relied on to do everything for his team, which his statistics reflect.

Rondo was also good enough to be drafted in the 1st round after his sophomore season. So I guess I don't see how DG has the advantage in college when Rondo was good enough to go in the 1st round after his sophomore year, and DG may or may not be taken late in the 2nd round after his senior year.

For the record I think the "he needs to bulk up" argument is a silly one. Talent is talent regardless of body size.

I would like to know where you see Rondo being significantly more talented is? I would say quickness is a draw. DG has him by a couple inches. Rondo is very long but so is DG. Neither shoot the ball from the outside well. The only place I could see is perhaps body control. I think he get's taken by a team like the Lakers who have an established PG but may be looking for another one to develop a little before throwing him in.

**cmoore_23** · 05-08-2011, 06:57 PM

DG should get drafted..
Fred has ties.. that alone raises DG chances..
Another "skinny" player.. jeff hornacek.. BJ Armstrong..
Summer league has already been canceled I believe..

**dbronco7sc** · 05-08-2011, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by AllIowaTeams

Rondo's sophomore stats and DG's senior stats are fairly comparable. DG averaged more points and 1 more assist, and Rondo averaged a tad more steals and a few more boards. However, Rondo played 6 less minutes per game, and as the bolded part indicates was not relied on to do everything for his team, which his statistics reflect.

Rondo was also good enough to be drafted in the 1st round after his sophomore season. So I guess I don't see how DG has the advantage in college when Rondo was good enough to go in the 1st round after his sophomore year, and DG may or may not be taken late in the 2nd round after his senior year.

For the record I think the "he needs to bulk up" argument is a silly one. Talent is talent regardless of body size.

I was comparing DG's sophomore stats to Rondo's sophomore. Assists, points, Turnovers, and minutes were practically the same between the two. Rondo had more boards and steals and a better 3pt, whereas DG had a far better Free Throw.

The rest is uncomparable to Rondo as he left for Pro, but DG in his final two well surpassed Rondo in 3pt%.

However, comparing DG's senior stats to his sophomore stats (which we agree are comparable to Rondo's) DG practically doubled his steals, increased his FT% by 12% (which was already 12% better than Rondo), he increased his points by 7.5, and his assists by 1.1 (despite his own increase in points and the loss of Brackins). This with only an additional 3.8 minutes per game (putting him at 36.7).

Increased minutes would not be a factor in improving his 3pt% and FT%. And though it does give him more opportunity to increase his other numbers... when you're practically playing the whole game... it wears on you too. Jumping from 24 mins to 28 will increase your stats a lot more than from 33 to 37. Pretty much playing the entire game during conference season probably doesn't boost your stats a whole lot compared to getting a few breathers now and then. One could argue it hurts it a little.

I'm not saying DG is better than Rondo, now nor then. But I will say it's a fair comparison to state that Rondo's success give hope for DG to have success. I also might add that DG's ability to grind out 40 minutes per game shows his conditioning that he might be more prepared to handle the fact that NBA games have more minutes than college.

All in all, I'm no scout and my opinion isn't worth 2 cents... but I do have hope that DG can do well at the next level.

**dbronco7sc** · 05-08-2011, 07:16 PM

I forgot to add. Rondo's first year stats were much better than DG which helps for getting drafted after your sophomore year. Also, Rondo finished MUCH better as evident by his FG%. This is probably the biggest case for Rondo being a better player in college. Which is strange considering his FT% was terrible.

I do feel Rondo had more threats around him, however, giving him a little more room to work than DG was given.

**snowcraig2.0** · 05-08-2011, 07:20 PM

Look, I love DG, and have defended him for 4 years here, but Rondo is a better athlete than Garrett, plain and simple.

**jahfg** · 05-08-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

I would love to see where Diante would have been had he had FH as his coach for the last 4 years instead of just one. I hope other guard recruits think about that when they consider ISU.

I still say that Diante's size is not going to matter a bit. If an NBA team feels he needs to add 10-15 pounds they know their conditioning people can put that on him with no problem.

His only drawback will be his 3-pt. shooting percentage. Shooting less than 32 per cent from 3 point range puts him below virtually every starting point guard in the NBA and that was at the college distance. If he were closer to 40 per cent or above it, there would be no concern. The only way he can improve that is practice, and maybe hire a shooting coach to help him. His free throw shooting could stand to improve a little too. The only way to try and improve shooting that I know of is to practice, practice, practice. Start shooting 500 (or more) shots a day.

Personally, I would love to see the Blazers draft him.....but they have other needs as well.

Diante was over 90% from the line in the Big XII. His free throw shooting is a strength. Obviously I don't know for sure, but I'm betting he takes more than 500 shots a day and has been for a couple years. He needs a tweak in his mechanics, but it may be too late for that. He doesn't need to be a great shooter from three as long as he shows the ability to get in the lane. His fadeaway in the lane that he has developed the past two seasons is tough to guard due to his height. If he can consistently finish shots like those and find open shooters, his offensive game is NBA-caliber. I'm not so sure about his defense.

**Tre4ISU** · 05-08-2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Look, I love DG, and have defended him for 4 years here, but Rondo is a better athlete than Garrett, plain and simple.

I'm not trying to be a **** here but I do really want someone to tell me what makes Rondo a better athlete. I don't think he's much, if any quicker, which, in basketball is the key for a PG. He's not taller. He may or may not handle the ball better. SO what is it?

**dtclones** · 05-08-2011, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by yaman3

I'm not trying to be a **** here but I do really want someone to tell me what makes Rondo a better athlete. I don't think he's much, if any quicker, which, in basketball is the key for a PG. He's not taller. He may or may not handle the ball better. SO what is it?

Rondo is way better off the dribble and arguably plays better defense that any other PG in the league. I don't know how anyone could argue that DG is just as good of an athlete as Rondo. Both of those things indicate that he is not.

On a side note, can anyone point to a single mock draft that has DG's name even mentioned? I'm not saying mock drafts mean everything but it seems to me like the only buzz about DG getting drafted is coming from this site and nowhere else.

**Tre4ISU** · 05-08-2011, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

Rondo is way better off the dribble and arguably plays better defense that any other PG in the league. I don't know how anyone could argue that DG is just as good of an athlete as Rondo. Both of those things indicate that he is not.

On a side note, can anyone point to a single mock draft that has DG's name even mentioned? I'm not saying mock drafts mean everything but it seems to me like the only buzz about DG getting drafted is coming from this site and nowhere else.

When DG decided he was going to the rim this year, no one stopped him. He went at will. Finishing was another story at times, but he could get there. You are probably right on the defensive side. That's a good point but defense is strictly talent. Rondo has great defensive instincts. I guess that's probably a part of athleticism so that's an area where he's better.

**madcityCY** · 05-08-2011, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

Rondo is way better off the dribble and arguably plays better defense that any other PG in the league. I don't know how anyone could argue that DG is just as good of an athlete as Rondo. Both of those things indicate that he is not.

On a side note, can anyone point to a single mock draft that has DG's name even mentioned? I'm not saying mock drafts mean everything but it seems to me like the only buzz about DG getting drafted is coming from this site and nowhere else.

Well, he had a good showing at Portsmouth, and got some press after that. Now, after having a combine/ workout in NJ, reports are that he along with two other ballers were the individuals that scouts were talking about.

sooo, its not just us. See the link:

http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=716

"Garrett is a guy who could quietly find his way into the NBA Draft and/or onto an NBA roster. He's a 6-foot-5 point guard who put up big numbers at Iowa State. He can score, he's athletic, and he makes good decisions."

http://www.netscoutsbasketball.com/b...-invitational/

"Has very good quickness, can shoot from distance and possesses all-around athleticism. Can put the ball on the floor and possibly had most explosive first step of any player at PIT. Has leaping ability to finish at hoop. Strength is a question mark with thin shoulders and skinny legs. Can picture him as an NBA player if he improves that aspect."

**Cydkar** · 05-08-2011, 08:31 PM

"Strength is a question mark with thin shoulders and skinny legs."

Directly from Portsmouth scouting report.

I only said that it could be the difference between making the league and not making the league. I never said he was screwed because of it. It wouldn't have been mentioned if it wasn't an issue. We've all seen him miss layups upon contact. The NBA allows a little contact. :)

**Cydkar** · 05-08-2011, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by yaman3

I'm not trying to be a **** here but I do really want someone to tell me what makes Rondo a better athlete. I don't think he's much, if any quicker, which, in basketball is the key for a PG. He's not taller. He may or may not handle the ball better. SO what is it?

I'm speechless.