DG is impressing some scouts

**Cydkar** · 05-09-2011, 07:17 AM

We'll miss him next year...mark my words.

**clonestar12** · 05-09-2011, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by clonefreek

What does DG have that 1000 other PGs dont have? He has nothing special that makes him any different then his competition. You honestly think that every 6'4 pt guard with a large wingspan deserves to play in the nba then i sure hope your not getting paid to be a talent scout. He has nothing that they cant find somewhere else. What does he have that tons of other players dont have? If length and height was all you needed to get into the nba then y not draft laron dendy, or marquis gilstrap?

He has excellent handles and the ability to be very disruptive defensively to 1 guards that are smaller and operate at the same speed as DG.......and there are many of those in the NBA. My guess is he is a very interesting prospect to many teams. I say he goes 1st round in the 20s.

**WalkingCY** · 05-09-2011, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Clone9

If DG gets drafted, it is HUGE. If it happens, then Fred will have turned an average Big 12 player (under McD) in to an NBA draft pick in 1 year. This will help recruiting more than just about anything could, IMO.

Totally agree here. This will be big for the program. Fred developed this guy in ONE year. Completely changed his game and made him a more confident player in this system....not "he who shall not be named's" system.

It is always good to see Iowa Staters in the NBA. This only helps Fred bringing in top talent to Ames.

**CyJack13** · 05-09-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Cydkar

We'll miss him next year...mark my words.

No question. Would love to see him get the chance to play with Allen, White and all the other transfers this year.

**AllIowaTeams** · 05-09-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by clonestar12

He has excellent handles and the ability to be very disruptive defensively to 1 guards that are smaller and operate at the same speed as DG.......and there are many of those in the NBA. My guess is he is a very interesting prospect to many teams. I say he goes 1st round in the 20s.

**clonefreek** · 05-09-2011, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by clonestar12

He has excellent handles and the ability to be very disruptive defensively to 1 guards that are smaller and operate at the same speed as DG.......and there are many of those in the NBA. My guess is he is a very interesting prospect to many teams. I say he goes 1st round in the 20s.

Wow...have you ever even played basketball? You obviously no nothing about how to judge the caliber of a player what so ever. He isnt even a top 75 prospect in the early draft polls.

I just dont think he has the skills to be in the nba. Just watch all the replays from the last 2 minutes of every game that was close this year. He had tons of mistakes, stupid fouls, awful shots, turnovers, and tons of mistakes.

Yes he has the handles and speed to get to the rim but how often did he finish? I saw several times where he would put up a terrible floater or get by his defender then just miss a layup. He is not cut out for the NBA. His length and speed alone are not enough for him to make it to the league.

If he gets drafted in the first round of the nba draft i will drive to your house and mow your lawn, shovel your driveway, and reroof your house for free. lol

**Yes13** · 05-09-2011, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by clonefreek

Wow...have you ever even played basketball? You obviously no nothing about how to judge the caliber of a player what so ever. He isnt even a top 75 prospect in the early draft polls.

I just dont think he has the skills to be in the nba. Just watch all the replays from the last 2 minutes of every game that was close this year. He had tons of mistakes, stupid fouls, awful shots, turnovers, and tons of mistakes.

Yes he has the handles and speed to get to the rim but how often did he finish? I saw several times where he would put up a terrible floater or get by his defender then just miss a layup. He is not cut out for the NBA. His length and speed alone are not enough for him to make it to the league.

If he gets drafted in the first round of the nba draft i will drive to your house and mow your lawn, shovel your driveway, and reroof your house for free. lol

67th(62-Pullen, 80-Lace Dunn) by Chad Ford. Pretty good for a guy that wasn't heard of until last week.

**Clones85'** · 05-09-2011, 05:45 PM

Clonefreek,

I recommend you don't talk about the things you know little about

**dbronco7sc** · 05-09-2011, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by CylentButDeadly

I'm with you. Rondo is one of the better athletes in the league. As far as true point guards go, Rose, Wall, Westbrook are better athletes than Rondo, but that's about it. Chris Paul is an exceptional athlete, but Paul isn't known for explosion, but instead quickness and agility, so he's a different type of athlete than Rose, Wall and Westbrook, who are more explosive leapers. Regardless, Rondo is a top tier PG in the league and he's one of the most athletic at his position.

Comparing DG to him in any way is ill-informed and kind of ridiculous.

See, in your paragraph above... you state how Rondo is more athletic than DG. So because you strongly believe one aspect of them is different (athleticism) then comparing them in "any way is ill-informed and kind of ridiculous"?

I chose to compare their stats, height, and weight (as they are extremely similar). I guess that's kind of ridiculous. I suppose those published numbers that I researched before I posted might make me ill-informed as well.

I imagine if I dared to touch other valuable asspects of being a point guard such as court vision, ball handling, passing ability, and decision making/game management, I would be completely off the wall, because clearly their athleticism is different.

**dbronco7sc** · 05-09-2011, 06:09 PM

CBD,

Having finished reading the thread, I respect your opinion a little more. Initially reading that comparing them in any way is ridiculous was a little offputting. However, you then go on to compare them in different aspects (such as defense, steals...) to state why you believe Rondo is better.

I will say (as I agree most people here will) that I completely agree that Rondo is clearly a better point guard.

I think the reason we compared them however, is everyone said the knock on DG was his frame/weight. So many here pointed out that Rondo (who is comparable in frame/weight) has NBA success. So Rondo is simply being use as proof that DG's frame is not necessarily 'the reason' DG will never be an NBA point guard because clearly, if you have other valuable attributes as a PG despite a thin frame, you can still get to the NBA (and in some cases... have major success such as Rondo).

So, Rondo has advantages such as athleticism, quickness, anticipation (stealing and rebounding) and such that allows him to succeed despite his flaws.

I'd say, what we should be discussing is: Does DG have any such advantages that can help him get to the NBA (not saying be as good as Rondo, but good enough to make a team)?

I think his ball handling (craftiness as Hoiberg puts it) is an advantage. I think he has become a much better shooter as evident by his 17+ points per game, his inside jumpers w/his height, and his improved 3pt percentage was much needed, and gives him an advantage over what Rondo had coming out of college. I think his endurance is a good advantage over anybody coming out of college. And I think his court vision and passing ability is extremely solid as evident by leading the Big 12 in assists despite losing Brackins, Gilstrap and doubling his own scoring.

I still think Rondo's got him as an overall player by a long shot. But I also think Rondo has a lot of NBA point guards by a long shot. I think DG has enough talent to get there, and *if he continues to improve*, he could play for a while.

Will he get drafted? I dunno. I'm cheering for him to get drafted. But I don't know what the various teams want. Only they do.

**AllIowaTeams** · 05-09-2011, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by yaman3

I would like to know where you see Rondo being significantly more talented is? I would say quickness is a draw. DG has him by a couple inches. Rondo is very long but so is DG. Neither shoot the ball from the outside well. The only place I could see is perhaps body control. I think he get's taken by a team like the Lakers who have an established PG but may be looking for another one to develop a little before throwing him in.

Dang this thread has sort of exploded since I last looked. Sorry for the delay in responding.

This is all my opinion of course so let me precede my thoughts with that. I think people are focusing way too much on height, weight, and quickness in this thread. CP3 isn't tall (what, 6 foot?) yet he is one of the best players in the NBA. Nash is pretty skinny and not very tall, but again he is one of the best. My thoughts on Rondo being significantly more talented than DG are almost entirely due to their respective skillsets, and have very little to do with their physical aspects.

Rondo is a significantly better defender than DG. DG, IMO, is a mediocre at best defender. Rondo can lock down the 1-3 on pretty much any team in the league. Rondo is also a much better rebounder. On stats alone they aren't that far apart, but that's more due to their position. Rondo seems to have a much better knack of knowing where the shot is going to go after it misses, and tracks down accordingly.

I also feel Rondo has significantly better court vision than DG. Sure, Rondo has great teammates around him, but you don't average 11.2 assists per game just because your teammates are good. He always seems to know where his teammates are on the floor, and makes great passes. I also think he's a far better court general. DG led the Clones in scoring, but he never struck me as a guy who commanded respect from his teammates for his leadership. He seemed too passive to me. That's the biggest difference I see between the two, honestly. Rondo is intensely competitive, and has the attitude that separates the good from the great.

Offensively, DG is a better shooter, although not a great shooter by any means. Rondo has not had to carry the offensive load for the Celtics, but even if he had to I don't think he would succeed. He's just not that good of a shooter. Rondo is a lot better at penetrating the lane IMO, and either taking it to the rim or kicking it out. Sure DG got to the rim pretty often, but the competition level is completely different. Rondo is doing it against the best in the league. I just can't see DG taking it to the hole against Howard, Smoove, Dalembert, etc. and succeeding very often.

I definitely think DG has the talent to get scooped up late in the 2nd, or else sign on with somebody as a FA. Hopefully for his sake he won't be stuck in D League purgatory like Stinson has. But I think the comparison to Rondo is off base by quite a ways. There's a reason Rondo was the 21st overall pick after his sophomore year, and DG may or may not be drafted coming off a very good senior season.

Edit: For the record I also think Rondo is more athletic and explosive, but those are hardly the main reasons why I think Rondo and DG aren't very comparable. Maybe 6th or 7th.

**clonefreek** · 05-09-2011, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Clonefreek,

I recommend you don't talk about the things you know little about

So when he doesnt come anywhere close to being drafted I can come back and tell all of you i told you so?

lol what do you know? I have played basketball my whole life, I have been watching basketball my whole life. He does not have what it takes, I am sorry. I love what he did for this school but you are off your rocker if you think he is getting drafted.

So your going to side with someone who thinks he is going to go in the first round? I want what you 2 are having cause apparently its good stuff.

**Rhoadhoused** · 05-09-2011, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by clonefreek

So when he doesnt come anywhere close to being drafted I can come back and tell all of you i told you so?

lol what do you know? I have played basketball my whole life, I have been watching basketball my whole life. He does not have what it takes, I am sorry. I love what he did for this school but you are off your rocker if you think he is getting drafted.

So your going to side with someone who thinks he is going to go in the first round? I want what you 2 are having cause apparently its good stuff.

So the 67th ranked player in a draft has no chance of going in a 60 player draft? I think there is more than a slight chance.....

**clonefreek** · 05-09-2011, 11:17 PM

Aran Smith's 2011 Big Board: Top 100 Prospects | NBADraft.net

This site doesnt have him in the top 100, he isnt even in the top 50 pgs in the country. He is a honorable mention as top pgs.