What does Chris Babb bring to the table?

[CyDude16]

Here's a little brief synopsis of Ejim's freshman season.....

"Started 30 games in his freshman campaign, averaging 10.3 points and 6.7 rebounds...shot 48.6 percent from the field (121-249 FG) and tallied 39 steals, second-best total on the team...one of 12 Iowa State freshmen in school history to average double figures in scoring...recorded 214 boards, the third-best rookie total in school history...ranked 11th in the Big 12 in rebounding (6.7)...ranked third in the Big 12 in offensive rebounding (league games only) at 2.9 orpg...tied for the team lead in double-doubles with four, tying for fifth all-time among Iowa State freshmen...became the 19th freshman in school history to start in the season-opener (Northern Arizona)...one of only two freshmen in school history to score in double figures in his first six games...honored as the Big 12 Rookie of the Week twice (Nov. 22, Dec. 13)...named to the Global Sports Hy-Vee Challenge all-tournament team...scored a career-high 22 points (9-13 FG) vs. Creighton...recorded 18 points (7-11 FG) and 10 rebounds vs. Southeast Missouri State...posted a double-double against Oklahoma (19 points, 12 rebounds)."

Boy... what a horrible first season in the Big 12. I can't believe how bad he is. Hopefully he transfers somewhere else because I doubt a guy like this will even see the floor this season playing behind Babb... who averaged less pts and rebs as a soph at Penn State than Ejim did as a true freshman at ISU.

I hope Babb is a GREAT player for us. But why put down Ejim? If I would have told you he'd post the numbers listed above as a true freshman, you'd have loved him. I don't see what the knock is on him at all?

God, my head hurts from reading your posts. Its not even a meltdown post by you. Congrats. CBD has a valid point with Ejim. Whether you disagree, his point is valid.

[CycloneErik]

Yeah... this is a guy we definately don't need on our team.....

YouTube - Iowa State Dunks Over Kennesaw State

Umm, you're making his point, which was reasonable to start with.

Those first two dunks involved Melvin relying on his athleticism, which is what athletic freshmen do. It's OK to see he's got room to improve. I'm sure the coaches have already said that.

[CyDude16]

Yeah... this is a guy we definately don't need on our team.....

YouTube - Iowa State Dunks Over Kennesaw State

You just proved his point. Ejim will improve, but to not see that he still needs to improve in certain areas is ridiculous and naive.

CBD, never said he didnt want Ejim on the team. Are you that idiotic? Nevermind, no need to answer that, I already know that answer.

[Bipolarcy]

You just proved his point. Ejim will improve, but to not see that he still needs to improve in certain areas is ridiculous and naive.

CBD, never said he didnt want Ejim on the team. Are you that idiotic? Nevermind, no need to answer that, I already know that answer.

I think everyone realizes he needs to improve. What we were objecting to is the harsh tone of the original post, making it seem like Ejim couldn't do anything right. The whole team needs to improve.

[CyDude16]

I think everyone realizes he needs to improve. What we were objecting to is the harsh tone of the original post, making it seem like Ejim couldn't do anything right. The whole team needs to improve.

Or maybe you are just being sensitive to some criticism's a poster may have, freshman or not, they are warranted and he does have a point.

[nickwc]

Yeah... this is a guy we definately don't need on our team.....

YouTube - Iowa State Dunks Over Kennesaw State

Two things, one I agree with cylent he is just stating facts about Ejim's game. Melvin and Fred would probably say the same things. Secondly, you lose all credibility when you spell definitely with an a.

[SpRiNgLiMe]

And just to show you two I'm being fair, here's some other things that guys on the team could work on this off season to improve our team success:

-Railey: Play more in control and work to stay on the floor by avoiding foul trouble.
-Booker: Based on his play from Southern Illinois, become more assertive and physical inside. Actively go after rebounds instead of waiting for them to come to him.
-Babb: Don't rely on the outside shot as much. Needs to be better at using his entire offensive repetoire.
-Allen: Go from being a number 2-3 three option to being a number 1 option guy.
-Christopherson: Continue to develop as a ball handler and the pump-fake dribble drive to finish inside the 3pt line.
-White: Never seen him play, so can't comment.
-Bubu: Continue to get stronger and improve his ball handling, decision making and outside shot.
-Ejim: Already covered.
-Sledge & McGee: Only seen highlight videos, so can't comment on their play.

Does that satisfy you and show that I'm not just singling Ejim out?

What does Austin McBeth need to work on to become a dominant force in the Big 12?

[CylentButDeadly]

What does Austin McBeth need to work on to become a dominant force in the Big 12?

From what I'm told, we're lacking that one guy that can break off some ridiculous dance moves and fire up the team while they're waiting to come out of the tunnel.

[clonedude]

Here's the post word for word....

"Where should we begin. Ejim has no touch from the outside and had trouble putting it on the deck and taking it to the rack. Furthermore, during the conference season, Ejim proved to be little more than a garbage/hustle bucket guy and a decent rebounder. Babb has a whole more offensively versatility than Ejim. Everyone says Ejim played out of position last season, which he did, but he has a ton of work to do this off season if he's going to be a dependable scorer with a reliable jump shot and ability to finish at the rim."

This is what he says about Ejim. But he has nothing but glaring remarks for Babb's game.... when Babb didn't even average what Ejim did. Ejim somehow isn't a "dependable" scorer, but Babb is, even though Ejim averaged more pts per game as a freshman than Babb did as a sophomore. Hmmm... interesting logic?

Ohh... and Ejim has trouble taking it to the rack and can't finish at the rim, huh? Show me the highlights of Babb doing that. I've shown just a few of Ejim finishing pretty well at the rim.

And you start your post by saying... "Where should we begin?". And then post a whole laundry list of negatives about Ejim, with only positives regarding Babb. Did Melvin Ejim take a leak in your Cheerios this morning or what?

By reading your post, Ejim would need a ton of improvement just to carry Babb's jock for him. I just don't agree. Sorry. I doubt we'll ever agree on that. It's no big deal.

Oh, and if spelling "definitely" wrong makes my opinions moot... what does the following sentence have to say about someone's opinions.... "Babb has a whole more offensively versatility than Ejim." Just wondering?

[CylentButDeadly]

Here's the post word for word....

"Where should we begin. Ejim has no touch from the outside and had trouble putting it on the deck and taking it to the rack. Furthermore, during the conference season, Ejim proved to be little more than a garbage/hustle bucket guy and a decent rebounder. Babb has a whole more offensively versatility than Ejim. Everyone says Ejim played out of position last season, which he did, but he has a ton of work to do this off season if he's going to be a dependable scorer with a reliable jump shot and ability to finish at the rim."

This is what he says about Ejim. But he has nothing but glaring remarks for Babb's game.... when Babb didn't even average what Ejim did. Ejim somehow isn't a "dependable" scorer, but Babb is, even though Ejim averaged more pts per game as a freshman than Babb did as a sophomore. Hmmm... interesting logic?

Ohh... and Ejim has trouble taking it to the rack and can't finish at the rim, huh? Show me the highlights of Babb doing that. I've shown just a few of Ejim finishing pretty well at the rim.

And you start your post by saying... "Where should we begin?". And then post a whole laundry list of negatives about Ejim, with only positives regarding Babb. Did Melvin Ejim take a leak in your Cheerios this morning or what?

By reading your post, Ejim would need a ton of improvement just to carry Babb's jock for him. I just don't agree. Sorry. I doubt we'll ever agree on that. It's no big deal.

Oh, and if spelling "definitely" wrong makes my opinions moot... what does the following sentence have to say about someone's opinions.... "Babb has a whole more offensively versatility than Ejim." Just wondering?

I feel I've qualified my original statement since then. Could I have added something about how much I believe in Ejim's potential? Sure, but I didn't and you chose to freak out about it and insinuate that I thought Ejim sucked, which is completely false. Regardless, my original statement, harsh as it may be, holds true. Ejim did a lot of things well, but he has a lot to work on if he's going to realize his full potential. Babb does as well, but the two of them are completely different players. At this point, Babb handles the ball better and is a much better shooter. Ejim is more adept at mixing it up inside and using his athleticism to grab offensive boards.

[heitclone]

Ohhh.... Babb has a much more refined offensive game, huh? Hmmm, interesting that a lot of writeups on him describe him as purely just a spot up outside shooter. On his videos I don't see him being able to create his own shot, or take it to the hoop either. So maybe you could say Babb's offensive game needs some work as well?

And why should I "chill out"? I wasn't the one on here putting down Ejim's game. He had a great freshman season IMO. Maybe he'll never be a guy that can shoot the outside shot real well? But I think we'll have plenty of guys that will fit that role. We need a guy that seems to always be in the right place at the right time to get the putbacks, or rip down a crucial offensive rebound.

I don't think his offensive game is bad at all though. I guess I wasn't watching the same Melvin Ejim as you were this season?

See, this is why I'd say Babb does have a more refined game. He has a "go to" way to score. He's a consistent shooter. Melvin struggled to find a consistent way to score, he needs to find out exactly what type of offensive player he's going to be. There were a lot of factors that contributed to ME's inconsistency as a frosh, many that he couldn't control. He played out of position and the entire team struggled at times finding an offensive identity, thats a tough situation for a frosh to be thrown into. His athleticism will never be questioned, he just needs to become a more consistent scorer. He has too much potential to hang his hat on a highlight dunk against Kennesaw State.

[Bipolarcy]

Or maybe you are just being sensitive to some criticism's a poster may have, freshman or not, they are warranted and he does have a point.

Well, since I'm not the only poster who read the remarks that way, and since the OP admitted he could have phrased them differently, maybe not

[clonedude]

I feel I've qualified my original statement since then. Could I have added something about how much I believe in Ejim's potential? Sure, but I didn't and you chose to freak out about it and insinuate that I thought Ejim sucked, which is completely false. Regardless, my original statement, harsh as it may be, holds true. Ejim did a lot of things well, but he has a lot to work on if he's going to realize his full potential. Babb does as well, but the two of them are completely different players. At this point, Babb handles the ball better and is a much better shooter. Ejim is more adept at mixing it up inside and using his athleticism to grab offensive boards.

I can go along with that! They truly are VERY different players. Babb really is more like a 2 than a 3 probably. He can really shoot it. I'm not sold on the idea that Babb really has that much better handles than Ejim, but that might be? I haven't seen many videos of Babb driving to the basket. He seems more like a stand up shooter. Ejim definitely isn't that kind of player.

I think we both could agree that we hope they are both great Cyclones!

[CylentButDeadly]

I can go along with that! They truly are VERY different players. Babb really is more like a 2 than a 3 probably. He can really shoot it. I'm not sold on the idea that Babb really has that much better handles than Ejim, but that might be? I haven't seen many videos of Babb driving to the basket. He seems more like a stand up shooter. Ejim definitely isn't that kind of player.

I think we both could agree that we hope they are both great Cyclones!

Agreed, and their differences are going to make our team better and more versatile as a whole.

(clonedude and I are having the equivalent of internet make up sex at this point).

[Haverhill]

From what I'm told, we're lacking that one guy that can break off some ridiculous dance moves and fire up the team while they're waiting to come out of the tunnel.

Lets not be Kansas State...