Tyrus McGee

**MaccloNe** · 11-12-2011, 10:02 AM

Chris Allen must be a bust to the OP. Geez the guy couldn't even play the whole game. White must be a bust because he didn't have a quadruple triple with 10 highlight dunks. And what is the deal with Babb? He didn't make every shot! OP must be a MCD sympathizer.

**cy1010** · 11-12-2011, 10:04 AM

I think this whole thread only makes sense if we're all talking about the same thing when we say "point guard".

It seems to me that whoever runs the one this season will not be asked (nor will it be needed) to do the same things DG did last year. There will be a lot more continuity and flow on the offensive end (in theory). The PG is essentially just the guy who initiates the offense, and not much more. Any number of guys on the team could probably do that.

**CloneIce** · 11-12-2011, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

I agree with most of what you're saying, especially the 2nd paragraph.

As far as Scottie playing PG the most, Royce brought it up a whole lot, and Chris Allen hardly played in the exhibition. I'm sure Scottie plays PG more than Chris, at least at first, but we don't really know much yet. But you agreed on that, so I'm really just saying it again.

Thanks. Yeah I really am not trying to be a downer here, I just wanted to point out that SC starting at the PG position does tell us quite a bit about how the other contenders for the position have fared thus far, as well as Bubu playing there. Good point on Allen, I'm hoping he can help out at that position, really hope he is back from his injury today or soon after.

**clone52** · 11-12-2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by cy1010

I think this whole thread only makes sense if we're all talking about the same thing when we say "point guard".

It seems to me that whoever runs the one this season will not be asked (nor will it be needed) to do the same things DG did last year. There will be a lot more continuity and flow on the offensive end (in theory). The PG is essentially just the guy who initiates the offense, and not much more. Any number of guys on the team could probably do that.

Not to mention that even if the offense gets stagnent, it won't be the point guard who does the creating. It will be isolation for Royce White.

**CycloneErik** · 11-12-2011, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by CloneIce

Thanks. Yeah I really am not trying to be a downer here, I just wanted to point out that SC starting at the PG position does tell us quite a bit about how the other contenders for the position have fared thus far, as well as Bubu playing there. Good point on Allen, I'm hoping he can help out at that position, really hope he is back from his injury today or soon after.

Allen says he's back, if that actually means anything.

If we have good ball movement through our offense, the PG shouldn't matter a whole lot. We're not likely to ask anyone to dominate the ball this year.

At least, that's what I think will happen. Don't trade that in for cash.

**RustShack** · 11-12-2011, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by CloneIce

You really think Scottie would be playing the PG position if one of the others like Allen or Mcgee were more effective at the position? That is why Scottie is playing point guard this year. Don't kid yourself, Hoiberg is going to start whoever is best at the PG position at PG, and apparently that is Scottie, who we know is a natural SG. I'm still pumped for this season but to act like it isn't a concern is just silly.

Or maybe he thinks Scottie makes a better PG than backup SG. Yeah Scottie is a great SG, but Allen is better.

**drose1** · 11-12-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by RandomFan

It would be interesting to go back and look at Fred's comments when McGee was signed. Did he talk about McGee being a PG for us? Or was that just an assumption that many people made? Do we really know what Fred's vision for this team was? Maybe he was fine with doing PG by committee all along.

Either way, it's hard to say anyone is a "miss" before the season even starts.

I believe Fred talked about him coming in and playing point

**cy1010** · 11-12-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by RustShack

Or maybe he things Scottie makes a better PG than backup SG. Yeah Scottie is a great SG, but Allen is better.

I think there is a lot of truth to this. Best 5 guys on the floor is with SC at the one. At least at this point. Which, remember is before the season has even started!

**jsb** · 11-12-2011, 10:09 AM

Way to wait a reasonable amount of time before jumping to a conclusion.

CyBer · 11-12-2011, 10:09 AM

Well I guess our season is going to suck, who wants my season tickets?

**RustShack** · 11-12-2011, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by cy1010

I think there is a lot of truth to this. Best 5 guys on the floor is with SC at the one. At least at this point. Which, remember is before the season has even started!

I guess I can understand why these guys would love to have Scottie on the bench... so we can claim ISU has the best 6th man in the nation?

**CloneIce** · 11-12-2011, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by cy1010

I think this whole thread only makes sense if we're all talking about the same thing when we say "point guard".

It seems to me that whoever runs the one this season will not be asked (nor will it be needed) to do the same things DG did last year. There will be a lot more continuity and flow on the offensive end (in theory). The PG is essentially just the guy who initiates the offense, and not much more. Any number of guys on the team could probably do that.

I like how this works in theory... but I assume you guys are all big college basketball fans? Well then, we all know that winning in the Big 12 without a strong PG is a challenge. It definitely can be done, and I think we can do it this season. But ask any coach, and they would love to have a strong PG, because it is such an important position at the college level. Hopefully we can play this position by committee and not have it turn into a weakness.

**RustShack** · 11-12-2011, 10:12 AM

White is going to be our Point Forward. He will drive it in and has his choice of guards between Allen, Scottie, and Babb to kick it out to to drain the three. If they miss, White and Ejim just rebound it and either knock it down themselves or kick it back out. Not quite as easy as I'm making it sound, but you get the jist of it.

**CycloneErik** · 11-12-2011, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by RustShack

White is going to be our Point Forward. He will drive it in and has his choice of guards between Allen, Scottie, and Babb to kick it out to to drain the three. If they miss, White and Ejim just rebound it and either knock it down themselves or kick it back out. Not quite as easy as I'm making it sound, but you get the jist of it.

It's easy for Royce.

**jsb** · 11-12-2011, 10:13 AM

I really think ideally Scotty won't be playing the point the entire game. He'll start there because it is smart to have the 5 best players on the floor. But I expect McGee and Allen to get their minutes as well.

Again, it is hard to know what to expect without seeing Allen at 100% on Sunday.

And, original poster, you DID ask if McGee was a recruiting miss.