Railey?

[NATEizKING]

The fact that we are clamoring for Railey to get back and there are multiple pages about Naz starting when he get here in the 2nd semester is all you need to know about what we've seen so far.

Yeah, some people don't understand basketball.

[CyBer]

Yeah, but I think he should still start.

I agree but who's place would he take if railey is in?

[Doc]

That is what I thought too. When I pointed out that we will miss Raileys post D and his toughness I was ridiculed. Now look who was right

Well, we did miss that. We also missed his 9.9 fouls/40 minutes and 40% FG shooting.

It will be interesting to see what kind of time Railey gets. He's our tallest player by far, and by that alone, will help our defense.

[Hayes30]

Well, we did miss that. We also missed his 9.9 fouls/40 minutes and 40% FG shooting.

It will be interesting to see what kind of time Railey gets. He's our tallest player by far, and by that alone, will help our defense.

I would much rather have his fouls he get while contesting shots than charging fouls by some other players.

[cymate]

[IcSyU]

I would much rather have his fouls he get while contesting shots than charging fouls by some other players.

Whaaat? You'd rather have a stupid foul (Railey is automatic for 3 of these per night) than an aggressive foul going to the bucket?

Railey will swat some shots, but he gets abused just as much if not more because he's so ungodly slow. Unless something has changed, he also has no clue how you rotate.

And I also fail to understand why everything thinks you need a goon on the floor. Seems to have worked alright not having an insanely tall dude starting for aTm or Missouri the last few years. Doesn't matter how tall you are if your defensive positioning sucks, and ours definitely sucks in most cases. One player isn't going to do anything close to fixing Iowa State's defense, especially when said play is slow, soft, and gets called for awful fouls because he's out of position or late to help.

[Hayes30]

Whaaat? You'd rather have a stupid foul (Railey is automatic for 3 of these per night) than an aggressive foul going to the bucket?

Railey will swat some shots, but he gets abused just as much if not more because he's so ungodly slow. Unless something has changed, he also has no clue how you rotate.

And I also fail to understand why everything thinks you need a goon on the floor. Seems to have worked alright not having an insanely tall dude starting for aTm or Missouri the last few years. Doesn't matter how tall you are if your defensive positioning sucks, and ours definitely sucks in most cases. One player isn't going to do anything close to fixing Iowa State's defense, especially when said play is slow, soft, and gets called for awful fouls because he's out of position or late to help.

You can be aggressive going to the baskrt and not foul Stinson did it all the time. Im not sure I get all the Railey hate sure he is not a great player but he is not a bum neither. He has a nice midrange shot, is big enough not to get pushed around in the post, He is good for one or two blocks a game, was only a freshman last season, and will rebound the ball. Also I want to know when he played soft the games I watched I never seen him backdown from anyone. Will he start for us? No we dont need him to and he wont because he is not starter quality but he is good enough to come off the bench and do some things asked of him. That is what he will do the whole time he is at ISU.

[herbicide]

Railey helped our defense last season.

Fact.

Link?

[PabloDiablo]

You can be aggressive going to the baskrt and not foul Stinson did it all the time. Im not sure I get all the Railey hate sure he is not a great player but he is not a bum neither. He has a nice midrange shot, is big enough not to get pushed around in the post, He is good for one or two blocks a game, was only a freshman last season, and will rebound the ball. Also I want to know when he played soft the games I watched I never seen him backdown from anyone. Will he start for us? No we dont need him to and he wont because he is not starter quality but he is good enough to come off the bench and do some things asked of him. That is what he will do the whole time he is at ISU.

Agree, that was actually one thing I liked about Railey last year since our other 6'10" guy was such a Nancy. He would man up on anyone. It was obvious he didn't have the technique/footwork, etc to stop a lot of the big 12 elite but the dude isn't soft.

Keep in mind he has had a whole off-season to work on conditioning, strength and technique on the block. Let's reserve judgement of his sophomore year until after he actually starts it.

[cygrads]

Agree, that was actually one thing I liked about Railey last year since our other 6'10" guy was such a Nancy. He would man up on anyone. It was obvious he didn't have the technique/footwork, etc to stop a lot of the big 12 elite but the dude isn't soft.

Keep in mind he has had a whole off-season to work on conditioning, strength and technique on the block. Let's reserve judgement of his sophomore year until after he actually starts it.

Also, consider in practice he has probably been trying to guard Royce White so that would help improve his defensive abilities considering he won't play against many that are better.

I would love to see this team press all game long with Railey at the back end of the press and Booker when Railey gets too many fouls. The press would increase the defensive intensity and we have the players to do it.

[BringBackJohnny]

I happen to think Railey A.K.A. Dragon is one of the pieces this team needs baddly. As stated above he plays tough nose defense and is not always looking to score on the offense. The team that played Tuesday had too many want to be Chiefs and too few indians. The few times the team was clicking bench players were in the game. The team will benifit greatly from the retun of the Dragon.

[defensewins]

I understand why Godfrey is no longer with the team, but the fact of the matter is we need someone like him off the bench so Booker and Royce can start up front when the Cyclones face Big 12 comeptition.

I've been reading a lot of posters that think Railey should stick in the program and develop as opposed to ISU going the Juco route. In theory I agree with developing young post talent over time but you really have to look at it from a case by case (player by player) point of view.

The bottom line is Paul Shirley was a project big. Paul Shirley is not Jordan Railey and frankily based on what I've seen of Railey last year and this summer I have not been impressed.

I'm not ready to pass judgement on freshman Percy Gibson yet, but if Booker has to come off the bench this year then it is clear the staff doesn't trust any of them with a real role on the team and I can't say I'd be dissapointed if Railey, Gibson, and Sledge all moved on and the Clones went out and got JUCO roleplayers to fill out the bench because we already have the stars (especially next year). Every team needs a Stevie Johnson, Shawn Bankhead, Klay Edwards, etc

[Cydkar]

It's clear to me that if a player isn't a Mickey D All American we have no room for them at ISU.

[rholtgraves]

I understand why Godfrey is no longer with the team, but the fact of the matter is we need someone like him off the bench so Booker and Royce can start up front when the Cyclones face Big 12 comeptition.

I've been reading a lot of posters that think Railey should stick in the program and develop as opposed to ISU going the Juco route. In theory I agree with developing young post talent over time but you really have to look at it from a case by case (player by player) point of view.

The bottom line is Paul Shirley was a project big. Paul Shirley is not Jordan Railey and frankily based on what I've seen of Railey last year and this summer I have not been impressed.

I'm not ready to pass judgement on freshman Percy Gibson yet, but if Booker has to come off the bench this year then it is clear the staff doesn't trust any of them with a real role on the team and I can't say I'd be dissapointed if Railey, Gibson, and Sledge all moved on and the Clones went out and got JUCO roleplayers to fill out the bench because we already have the stars (especially next year). Every team needs a Stevie Johnson, Shawn Bankhead, Klay Edwards, etc

It is a luxury not to have to play true freshman if they aren't ready. We haven't been able to do that in awhile. the team doesn't have to be 11 people deep. Playing 9 players which is what I think the rotation will be is plenty deep. The team just needs to gel.

The quotes below are relevant to most teams across the country this time of the year and it sounds eerily similar to our team. They were said by Bill Self after KU's recent loss:

"We’re not going to win a ton of games just by playing ‘take ’em.’ That’s not how we’ve ever done things. The ball has to move. The defense dictates who shoots it. We have to be patient enough to get Thomas (Robinson) a touch where he might have an angle. We just have to be patient,” Self added.

"We’ll get better at moving the ball. Guys ... we’ve been practicing for 3 1/2 weeks."

"We have to become one, and we are not one yet. I don’t know any team in the country that’s one this time of year. I think we can learn from it, and our guys will be better from it. It’s a long season in basketball."

Most teams playing lots of new players struggle this time of year. The key is too work hard and improve. That will determine how the season goes, not what has happened but the players and coaches respond.

[defensewins]

It is a luxury not to have to play true freshman if they aren't ready. We haven't been able to do that in awhile.

I agree with that. However I will say it isn't a luxury to have to see Bubu in the games this year.

My only point is ISU would have been better off in the game against Drake if one of those scholarships went to someone like Terell Parks (from Iowa Central) now at Western Illinois. I've seen Parks at Iowa Central and I watched the Western Illinois game vs. ranked Michigan. Parks is the teams best post player (he made some jumpshots including one three while playing inside most of the game) and he would have been an asset off the bench against Drake. Parks would have been a decent replacement for Godfrey. Alonzo Traylor at Iowa Western is one of several JUCO prospects out there (including Godfrey who I don't expect to be back at ISU) who could be that first big off the bench next year if a scholarship opens up.

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