Allen at Point, Scotty back to the 2

**DRCHIRO** · 12-08-2011, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by tre

I think the ball needs to go down to White on the block every possession...especially when Percy is in there...they looked like they'd been playing together for years on Tuesday. Could've been a result of the defense we were playing against though.

Agree. He is good enough where he is going to demand help a lot of the time and is a good enough passer to find open shooters.

**motorCYcle** · 12-08-2011, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by BCClone

As long as he doesn't just dribble down and start launching shots from anywhere. His shot selection is far from selective.

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

As much as anything, I hope this helps Scottie and gets him back into the flow. He's deadly in the right role.

Both of these. Allen did well against PVA&M because he had a much better shot selection. He took open shots to boost his confidence and continued making them. Scotty just didn't fit the point guard role, but as we have seen, he is extremely effective in the right position. Allen should do well as a PG as long as he looks for the pass before a crazy shot.

**brokenloginagain** · 12-08-2011, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by isume6

Did you not watch the last game or listen to what Allen said? The cut is from the Prairie View game where Chris headbutted a guy from their team, and that is who was tested for concussion symptoms, not anyone on our team.

i didn't catch that part - thanks.

**Al_4_State** · 12-08-2011, 11:18 AM

Allen seems far and away the best guy to run the point for this team.

Throw in the fact that he was woefully ineffective at the 2 (I don't know if I've seen worse shot selection over the course of several games), and I think this could change a lot of things going forward for this team.

**ckestner** · 12-08-2011, 07:38 PM

good moves. Keep tweeking Hoiberg. The talent is there. Find what works. "Run it up Herman, leave no doubt"

**cyclones500** · 12-08-2011, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

Allen seems far and away the best guy to run the point for this team.

Throw in the fact that he was woefully ineffective at the 2 (I don't know if I've seen worse shot selection over the course of several games), and I think this could change a lot of things going forward for this team.

I've been able to see only a few games, but vs. U-M, Allen was forcing the **** out of it .. interesting to note, when ISU slapped on the desperation pressure, he took the same shots, but sank them.

I like this move. I think Bubu has a PG upside (works hard on defense, isn't afraid to penetrate (finishing is iffy, but if he draws fouls, he has a nice stroke at the line). I think Allen & Bubu are the best options at point. Scotty & McGee can fill the role in spurts.

There's enough potential at 7 or 8 deep ... can only start 5. But all can get plenty of minutes.

I could see adaptable starting lineups

PG Allen
SG Babb
SF Ejim
C White
PF Gibson
6-7-8: Scotty, McGee, Bubu, Booker

PG Allen
SG1 Babb
SG2 Scotty
C White
PF Gibson
6-7-8: Ejim, McGee, Bubu, Booker

I think Lineup 1 is more traditional, position-wise. Probably better as far as shooting w/ Scotty in a 3-guard than Melvin, if he's struggling. But why not bulk up the frontcourt? Maybe that would put him in a more natural position.

**Rhoadhoused** · 12-09-2011, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by cyclones500

I've been able to see only a few games, but vs. U-M, Allen was forcing the **** out of it .. interesting to note, when ISU slapped on the desperation pressure, he took the same shots, but sank them.

This is the biggest problem. Taking the same shots all game as when you are down 20 with 5 minutes left.

**xboxfever** · 12-09-2011, 12:11 AM

I said Allen would be the starting PG when it was announced he would be attending ISU. I am glad that Fred has finally realized Chris can be a very good PG. With this decision, I see the team improving drastically now that there is no indecisiveness when bringing the ball up the court.

**IowaStateClones** · 12-09-2011, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Clonehomer

I still don't think this is the solution. We have two guys that I've seen the ability to play pg, Bubu and McGee.

So you would rather start a 3 point sharp shooter, like we were doing with scotty, or a walk on instead of someone who has proven that he can handle the point?

**cyclones500** · 12-09-2011, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

This is the biggest problem. Taking the same shots all game as when you are down 20 with 5 minutes left.

True.

I think the "clutch" factor came into play ... I wasn't sure what to make of it. Because of all them were terrible shots — but in the scheme of the final few minutes, which was a flurry, it showed he wasn't afraid of launching those (what's to lose at that point?) -- other times it just seemed like wasted possessions.

**Cychotiic** · 12-09-2011, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by DRCHIRO

This is correct. They loved him off of the ball because he could score in a variety of ways.

DG was effective last year because he could get in the lane (finishing was another story) which opened up some other shooters. Hopefully Allen has a little of that in him. We desperately need a guard who can penetrate and get to the basket and force defenders off of their guy. I love shooting threes but we tend to settle for them far to often.

I wonder if Allen's hip pointer had anything to do with him not playing point? I don't remember the time frame as to when he sustained it, and when they said Scottie would play PG

**Rhoadhoused** · 12-09-2011, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Cychotiic

I wonder if Allen's hip pointer had anything to do with him not playing point? I don't remember the time frame as to when he sustained it, and when they said Scottie would play PG

Fred is quoted saying the reason Allen didn't play point was mostly because before the season when they had Allen at the two they had "some of the best practices he'd ever seen". Apparently that did not translate to games for whatever reason.

**Stormin** · 12-09-2011, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Incyte

Glad FH is willing to make changes when something doesn't work unlike McDermott.

I wasn't aware of anything that McDermott did that worked.

**BryceC** · 12-09-2011, 06:19 AM

I still think his ballhandling is a little suspect for somebody that will be on the ball the whole time, but overall I support this move. Probably the best option in a case with few good options.

**Cyclonepride** · 12-09-2011, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by tre

I think the ball needs to go down to White on the block every possession...especially when Percy is in there...they looked like they'd been playing together for years on Tuesday. Could've been a result of the defense we were playing against though.

I agree, though I'm not sure we do the best job of getting it to him "in the post". Seems like we get it to him when he's about 12 feet from the basket. Not sure if that is by design to take advantage of his driving ability, if he doesn't do the best job of getting position, or if we just don't pass it at the right time.

I'd love to see him get the ball inside 8' or so, as I think he has some good moves and his strength makes him hard to stop.