Better job so far: Fran at Iowa or Freddy at ISU?

**Cyclonepride** · 01-04-2012, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by SplitIdentity

Whatever you say there champ.

Since the Sagarin ratings were so popular here during the football season,

USATODAY.com

Big Ten = #1 conference.

Not relevant during basketball season. Everyone knows this. Where have you been?

**SplitIdentity** · 01-04-2012, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Absolutely not.

Right. Well, Minnesota is 47th in the Sagarin Ratings, UW is currently 17th. ISU is a balmy 72 (Iowa 118). So I'd say it's fair to say they've improved, and ISU was not the most talented, or best team, they've played at this point.

**SplitIdentity** · 01-04-2012, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Not relevant during basketball season. Everyone knows this. Where have you been?

Oh that's right, I forgot.

I'll go do that thing the Samarai did when they failed. You know, sword to the gut until you die.

**CycloneJoe** · 01-04-2012, 11:12 PM

What scares me is that IOWA has serious help on the way!
Do we truly?
If white stay two more years we are good!

**awd4cy** · 01-04-2012, 11:13 PM

I'll go with a tie... both are doing fine.

**Stewo** · 01-04-2012, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by SplitIdentity

Right. Well, Minnesota is 47th in the Sagarin Ratings, UW is currently 17th. ISU is a balmy 72 (Iowa 118). So I'd say it's fair to say they've improved, and ISU was not the most talented, or best team, they've played at this point.

I view the UW win like the 2009 win over Nebraska. It took a terrible shooting effort by UW for Iowa to get the win. That said, all that matters is indeed the scoreboard.

**kingcy** · 01-04-2012, 11:13 PM

Fran is doing what he can with a lot less talent. A lot less talent.

**cyclone87** · 01-04-2012, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneJoe

What scares me is that IOWA has serious help on the way!
Do we truly?
If white stay two more years we are good!

We have a very nice class coming in as well, I'm not worried.

**tm3308** · 01-04-2012, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by The_Architect

As much as it pains me to say it I say Fran this year is getting so much more out his players than Fred. Iowa is still unbelievably talent deficient and somehow he is getting them to compete.

Last year it was Fred, since he used what little firepower we had with DG/Scotty/JVB and let them run an offense that kept them competitive in almost all of our conference games.

I was just about to say this. Last year it was obviously Hoiberg. You guys had a pretty solid team with a relatively bare cupboard. Iowa's was even barer, but we also didn't have as good of a year.

This year, ISU has more talent on an individual basis. But Iowa seems to have captured that chemistry factor, making them more than the sum of their parts. ISU has yet to find that, and it's shown several times. The lack of a true point guard has hurt ISU, too. Fran has his team playing as a TEAM, and that gives him an edge for this season right now. Overall, a slight edge to Fran. ISU has stagnated a little from last year, while Iowa is moving upward. I expect that to change before long, though. Hoiberg is going to get ISU back, too. And I can't wait to see the battles when Iowa and Iowa State are both back to where they once were!

BTW, someone listed Iowa as having won @ Purdue. We beat them in Carver last year.

**cyclone357** · 01-04-2012, 11:14 PM

4 undefeated teams left... 2 are in the Big 12. Big 12 > Big 10.

**awd4cy** · 01-04-2012, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneJoe

What scares me is that IOWA has serious help on the way!
Do we truly?
If white stay two more years we are good!

I still like our upcoming recruiting classes better than Iowa at this point.

**Taco** · 01-04-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Aren't they always this time of year?

At the end of the year, the Big 10 usually ends up an inferior conference, regardless of sport. Well, maybe wrestling.

Who won the NCAA championship last year?

**SplitIdentity** · 01-04-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by cyclone357

4 undefeated teams left... 2 are in the Big 12. Big 12 > Big 10.

Yeah, that's not how that works.

**The_Architect** · 01-04-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneJoe

What scares me is that IOWA has serious help on the way!

Those Freshman won't be instant impact players - maybe Gessell.

**swarthmoreCY** · 01-04-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Taco

Since '05 Wisconsin has made it to the NCAA tournament every year. They've made it to an elite 8, two sweet sixteens, and three second round exits. If that's your definition of a 'paper-tiger' then I would absolutely love for either Iowa or ISU to become a 'paper-tiger.'

It's ridiculous how some people's absolute hate for the Big 10 can cloud their judgement so much that it makes them look like a complete dumb***.

Why would I hate the Big 10? The fact is Big 10 is an inferior conference. Of course, every conference has good teams, and Wisconsin may end up one, but they are not overly athletic or talented.