ISU at Texas on LHN

**CrossCyed** · 01-23-2012, 12:39 PM

If LHN does not televise this game, NO ONE televises it.

Third tier distribution systems certainly do not have to share ANYTHING they do, and there's no reason for LHN to share its feed with ESPN FC or ESPN3 because it reduces just about any reason for anyone IN TEXAS, as well as elsewhere, to try and get the Longhorn Network.

Something like 10 conference games were never picked up and fell through to the third tier.

**HFCS** · 01-23-2012, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

If LHN does not televise this game, NO ONE televises it.

Third tier distribution systems certainly do not have to share ANYTHING they do, and there's no reason for LHN to share its feed with ESPN FC or ESPN3 because it reduces just about any reason for anyone IN TEXAS to try and get the Longhorn Network.

Something like 10 conference games were never picked up and fell through to the third tier.

People understand the technicalities and they don't care because the bottom line is nobody can see this game and we will be able to see Baylor games. You said it was like Baylor even though it's clearly not for all practical purposes.

I'm pretty sure our game at Baylor will be available nationally through at least one and probably two legal video sources.

It's a unique thing and it's due to ESPNLHN. Why are people jumping through hoops trying to act like this Big 12 basketball telecast is not out of the ordinary when it clearly is?

**imnclone** · 01-23-2012, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

No TV... 2:00 Timeout: Cyclones Playing Well On The Road - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - The home of Iowa State Cyclone Sports

That match-up between the Longhorns and Cyclones, unfortunately, won’t be televised locally so listening to John Walters and Eric Heft on the Cyclone Radio Network will be the best way to follow the action. Live courtside blogging (by Mike Green of the communications staff) and live stats of the game, of course, will be available on cyclones.com.

The game was not selected to be shown nationally or by the Big 12 Television Network as one of its games of the week, so the telecast was made available to both school’s third-tier providers. Because of the significant production costs to send a truck to Austin and produce the game, Iowa State has chosen not to televise the game.

Some viewers have concluded that Texas’ third-tier partner (the Longhorn Network) is blocking the telecast. It is not. If we had made the choice to pay the high costs for producing the game, it likely would have been shown on local TV in our market.

Does ISU have its own truck or does Learfield make the arrangements for trucks? Learfield produces for schools in Oklahoma and Texas. Don't they have trucks semi-local? Curious how this actually works. I read somewhere the uplink cost is about 1-5k/hr depending on BW so what are the other production costs? I know people would complain, but couldn't they use the radio feed for audio with the video? or like the btn, do the play by play remotely. Might as well look the part if we can't afford to produce road games.

I would guess the LHN is done with fibre so it would not even be an option to make it available outside of their normal distribution (like mediacomm)

not really expecting an answer to any of these questions here. :)

**CrossCyed** · 01-23-2012, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by HFCS

People understand the technicalities and they don't care because the bottom line is nobody can see this game and we will be able to see Baylor games. You said it was like Baylor even though it's clearly not for all practical purposes.

I'm pretty sure our game at Baylor will be available nationally through at least one and probably two legal video sources.

It's a unique thing and it's due to ESPNLHN. Why are people jumping through hoops trying to act like this Big 12 basketball telecast is not out of the ordinary when it clearly is?

Baylor's game at Iowa State will be available on television on CTN but as of right now not in Texas.

There are only three schools that don't have at least two conference games that fall through to the third tier (KU, Mizzou and A&M) and Mizzou still has one falling through.

But no, the fact that Texas is trying to force through their agenda by holding out on Oklahoma State and Iowa State telecasts sounds much more believable.

**HFCS** · 01-23-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

Baylor's game at Iowa State will be available on television on CTN but as of right now not in Texas.

I'm pretty sure the only school that doesn't have at least two games fall through to the third tier during conference season is Kansas.

So any Baylor fan with DirecTV can pay for the game and any Baylor fan with a computer can probably watch for free. Also any of them with access to a decent sports bar can watch it.

That's the bottom line, that's all anybody cares about.

It's misleading to say that the reason this is not the case for the UT/ISU game is anything but the LHN. We're not sending a crew from ISU down to Baylor either.

**theshadow** · 01-23-2012, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by HFCS

Big 12 or Big 8 regular season game? I bet it's been a very long time.

I grew up an Iowa fan, then switched to ISU when I went to school there. I started watching one or the other religiously around 1982 pretty much steady for three decades. This is a first for me. I switched to ISU in '97 so maybe from '82-'97 ISU didn't have TV for all conference games on TV but I never got that impression. It's a first for me in 30 years.

More like an 11th or 12th in 16 years.

1997 - at Nebraska, vs Missouri
2000 - at Nebraska
2002 - at Baylor (not available in Iowa)
2003 - at Texas A&M
2004 - at Kansas State, vs Colorado
2007 - at Texas A&M (not available in Iowa)
2009 - at Colorado (not available in Iowa)
2010 - at Baylor (FSNSW shared feed with Mediacom; no ISU production)
2011 - at Colorado (not available in Iowa)
2012 - at Texas

**VeloClone** · 01-23-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

More like an 11th or 12th in 16 years.

1997 - at Nebraska, vs Missouri
2000 - at Nebraska
2002 - at Baylor (not available in Iowa)
2003 - at Texas A&M
2004 - at Kansas State, vs Colorado
2007 - at Texas A&M (not available in Iowa)
2009 - at Colorado (not available in Iowa)
2010 - at Baylor (FSNSW shared feed with Mediacom; no ISU production)
2011 - at Colorado (not available in Iowa)
2012 - at Texas

None of these were available on FC either?

**theshadow** · 01-23-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by HFCS

I'm pretty sure our game at Baylor will be available nationally through at least one and probably two legal video sources.

Originally Posted by HFCS

We're not sending a crew from ISU down to Baylor either.

And why would they? That game is on ESPNU.

**HFCS** · 01-23-2012, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

More like an 11th or 12th in 16 years.

1997 - at Nebraska, vs Missouri
2000 - at Nebraska
2002 - at Baylor (not available in Iowa)
2003 - at Texas A&M
2004 - at Kansas State, vs Colorado
2007 - at Texas A&M (not available in Iowa)
2009 - at Colorado (not available in Iowa)
2010 - at Baylor (FSNSW shared feed with Mediacom; no ISU production)
2011 - at Colorado (not available in Iowa)
2012 - at Texas

whoa, how do you even pull that up?

I do remember being ticked about @Nebraska and listening on the radio, wasn't that the game Rancik won on a buzzer beater or was that the next year?

I guess some of them I didn't miss much because they weren't high profile games.

As far as having zero national TV access (unless you count this Verizon thing) it still looks like you're telling us this is the first time since '04 and only the 4th time in 16 years. When you say "not in Iowa" do you mean local tv or that they weren't even on directv or web?

**theshadow** · 01-23-2012, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

None of these were available on FC either?

6 of them weren't televised, period. The others were all on local TV in the home team markets. Since most of those were FSN, I can't speak to how well they got along with ESPNFC.

**HFCS** · 01-23-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

And why would they? That game is on ESPNU.

I'm not the one who acted like this game was just like a game at Baylor. I have no idea what channel it's on. I live out of state, just before tip I usually check if we have ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU otherwise I just watch on ESPN3. This is the only B12 game in several years that hasn't worked fine for me...but we have people acting like it's nothing out of the ordinary.

**theshadow** · 01-23-2012, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

Something like 10 conference games were never picked up and fell through to the third tier.

Third-tier Big 12 games, 2012
Jan 4 - Tech at OSU (none)
Jan 7 - OSU at Texas (CSN/LHN)
Jan 10 - Baylor at KSU (FSKC)
Jan 24 - ISU at Texas (LHN)
Jan 28 - Oklahoma at KSU (FSKC)
Jan 31 - KSU at ISU (FSKC/CTN)
Feb 4 - Tech at Texas (LHN)
Feb 11 - Oklahoma at Tech (TBA)
Mar 3 - Baylor at ISU (CTN)