Ken Pom BB Rankings

Larry
2003 #62 2003 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

Wayne
2004 #57 2004 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings
2005 #40 2005 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings
2006 #74 2006 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

McD
2007 #121 2007 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings
2008 #100 2008 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings
2009 #112 2009 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings
2010 #71 2010 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

Fred
2011 #81 2011 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings
2012 #47 before today's game 2012 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

Looking like we are back to Wayne and LE level of competition days
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We should move up probably about 5 spots or so with this road victory.

Looks like we're on the right path. This is in a nutshell all I need to send to those Wayne haters/McD apologists next time I get bs responses trying argue McD was a better coach here than Wayne. That, and # of pro contracts McD's players got over Wayne's players.

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Originally Posted by Ficklone02

Looks like we're on the right path. This is in a nutshell all I need to send to those Wayne haters/McD apologists next time I get bs responses trying argue McD was a better coach here than Wayne. That, and # of pro contracts McD's players got over Wayne's players.

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You would think their records at Iowa State, or NCAA tournament wins would be enough...

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You would think their records at Iowa State, or NCAA tournament wins would be enough...

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I always thought so too, but the more ammunition the better.

End of year ratings from years ago cannot be fairly compared to mid year ratings early in conference play. We have lots of games left.

Regardless where this team winds up, they are a very different team than the one we started with at the beginning of the year.

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Originally Posted by Ficklone02

Looks like we're on the right path. This is in a nutshell all I need to send to those Wayne haters/McD apologists next time I get bs responses trying argue McD was a better coach here than Wayne. That, and # of pro contracts McD's players got over Wayne's players.

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How McD never won with DG, Brackins, Gilstrap Ill never know

Yes, and thx for reminding me of Gilstrap....I always forget about him since he was a one year dude. Usually I'm reminding people of how much talent McD had since he had Wes, DG & Brackins...Gilstrap is also a legitamite talent.

One thing about the Kenpom rankings that has shocked me this year is how close to the top wisconsin is. They've been around the top the whole time and are sitting at 3 right now.

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Looks like we're on the right path. This is in a nutshell all I need to send to those Wayne haters/McD apologists next time I get bs responses trying argue McD was a better coach here than Wayne. That, and # of pro contracts McD's players got over Wayne's players.

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Are there many people really trying to argue Mcdermott did a better job here than Wayne?

Just because the mcdermott era was a colossal failure does not mean that the decision to fire wayne was the incorrect one. That's a completely separate debate as they are separate decisions. I personally believe it was the right thing.

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Yes, and thx for reminding me of Gilstrap....I always forget about him since he was a one year dude. Usually I'm reminding people of how much talent McD had since he had Wes, DG & Brackins...Gilstrap is also a legitamite talent.

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And Mike Taylor... McD never could get along with his athletes, glad he's back in the Missouri valley where he belongs

Up to #44 now.

It's also a little silly to you just one data point for LE. either use them all or none, but you can't just point to his last year and say "we're back to the LE days".

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It's also a little silly to you just one data point for LE. either use them all or none, but you can't just point to his last year and say "we're back to the LE days".

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I don't think his point was to say we are back to 2000 level but this is back to or better than where LE ended up and picking a nice one decade period makes sense to me.

Sagarin is much better than Kenpom, but the cumulation of all those years still says a lot about the McD years compared to Fred so far and even Wayne.

For example, who thinks 11-20 Iowa was better than 16-16 ISU last year? Not a single real person who saw the two play or any other computer ranking, but Kenpom's joke rankings for last year did. Sagarain had ISU #87, Iowa #112 for comparison.

There are dozens of other obviously superior differences every year that show Sagarin makes more sense. I just don't get the Kenpom love fest that grows every year. I think people just assume Sagarin must only be for football.