JW calls out Jerry Palm

**LegendofRodA** · 02-20-2012, 04:50 PM

Listening to KXNO just now, Miller and Brinson had John Walters on and he just took a shot at Jerry Palm being a Purdue Homer. I literally lol on that one.

**cyatheart** · 02-20-2012, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by LegendofRodA

Listening to KXNO just now, Miller and Brinson had John Walters on and he just took a shot at Jerry Palm being a Purdue Homer. I literally lol on that one.

Jerry Palm is a hack. To suggest that Minnesota or Illinois should be in before ISU. Come on.

**Jambalaya** · 02-20-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by cyatheart

Jerry Palm is a hack. To suggest that Minnesota or Illinois should be in before ISU. Come on.

Rosey Palm had 9 Big 10 teams in; Only 4 Big 12 teams in

After googling I realized he writes articles on the Big 10

what a fricking homer

**IHavNoCyCash** · 02-20-2012, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by LegendofRodA

Listening to KXNO just now, Miller and Brinson had John Walters on and he just took a shot at Jerry Palm being a Purdue Homer. I literally lol on that one.

it's clear as day Palm is a ******* or a big homer.

He has an at-large play-in game between 14 seeds......that's mostly reserved for small conference champions that have 5-7 losses.

There's a reason he's way down the list on Bracket Matrix....

The only bracketologist that's worth following is Shawn Seigel of collegehoopsnet. He gives his projections tomorrow and was there when the committee did their mock selection (ISU was a 9 seed playing West Virginia in the mock selections before the OU game). Seigel is ranked 2nd in the Bracket Matrix.

Palm 26th, Lunardi 27th.

Not very hard to beat Lunardi and Palm when doing brackets...it's a joke they get so much publicity when others are way better at it. end rant.

**ISUChippewa** · 02-20-2012, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash

it's clear as day Palm is a ******* or a big homer.

He has an at-large play-in game between 14 seeds......that's mostly reserved for small conference champions that have 5-7 losses.

There's a reason he's way down the list on Bracket Matrix....

The only bracketologist that's worth following is Shawn Seigel of collegehoopsnet. He gives his projections tomorrow and was there when the committee did their mock selection (ISU was a 9 seed playing West Virginia in the mock selections before the OU game). Seigel is ranked 2nd in the Bracket Matrix.

Palm 26th, Lunardi 27th.

Not very hard to beat Lunardi and Palm when doing brackets...it's a joke they get so much publicity when others are way better at it. end rant.

Yeah, I normally try not to buy into the whole conspiracy theory thing, but it's hard not to with Palm in this case. He is the ONLY "bracketologist" among the dozens and dozens that are featured in that Bracket Matrix page that has been linked recently.

Which website does he do brackets for? CBSSportsline.com (which is normally a great sports site IMO). Which channel broadcasts a Big Ten game every Sunday? CBS.

How many Big Ten teams does he have in his most recent projection? 9?

Not hard to see the link in this case.

**cyclones500** · 02-21-2012, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash

it's clear as day Palm is a ******* or a big homer.

He has an at-large play-in game between 14 seeds......that's mostly reserved for small conference champions that have 5-7 losses.

There's a reason he's way down the list on Bracket Matrix....

The only bracketologist that's worth following is Shawn Seigel of collegehoopsnet. He gives his projections tomorrow and was there when the committee did their mock selection (ISU was a 9 seed playing West Virginia in the mock selections before the OU game). Seigel is ranked 2nd in the Bracket Matrix.

Palm 26th, Lunardi 27th.

Not very hard to beat Lunardi and Palm when doing brackets...it's a joke they get so much publicity when others are way better at it. end rant.

How long has Bracket Matrix existed? (I just found out about it this season, via Fanatic). Just curious about volume of data.

Lunardi is the most high-profile source; Palm has done it for a while. It seems they would rank higher, on average. It doesn't mean they're completely off-base (although I did do better than Palm in the CBS bracket-challenge 2 years back — a contest which, mysteriously, disappeared last season)

I'm guessing plenty of others have fine-tuned the process over the years. It used to be a mystery/novelty.

**IHavNoCyCash** · 02-21-2012, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by cyclones500

How long has Bracket Matrix existed? (I just found out about it this season, via Fanatic). Just curious about volume of data.

Lunardi is the most high-profile source; Palm has done it for a while. It seems they would rank higher, on average. It doesn't mean they're completely off-base (although I did do better than Palm in the CBS bracket-challenge 2 years back — a contest which, mysteriously, disappeared last season)

I'm guessing plenty of others have fine-tuned the process over the years. It used to be a mystery/novelty.

around 5 years. Seigal owns a website, that's why he doesn't get publicity. If he was on ESPN everyone would love him.sad but it's reality.

**Cydkar** · 02-21-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash

it's clear as day Palm is a ******* or a big homer.

He has an at-large play-in game between 14 seeds......that's mostly reserved for small conference champions that have 5-7 losses.

There's a reason he's way down the list on Bracket Matrix....

The only bracketologist that's worth following is Shawn Seigel of collegehoopsnet. He gives his projections tomorrow and was there when the committee did their mock selection (ISU was a 9 seed playing West Virginia in the mock selections before the OU game). Seigel is ranked 2nd in the Bracket Matrix.

Palm 26th, Lunardi 27th.

Not very hard to beat Lunardi and Palm when doing brackets...it's a joke they get so much publicity when others are way better at it. end rant.

Lunardi is just riding his good looks.

**cyatheart** · 02-21-2012, 10:43 AM

Where is the Bracket Matrix you guys are talking about? Do they rank the different guys that do this? Sorry I searched or it and can't find it. THanks in advance.

**cychosis** · 02-21-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by cyatheart

Where is the Bracket Matrix you guys are talking about? Do they rank the different guys that do this? Sorry I searched or it and can't find it. THanks in advance.

The Bracket Project Blog

direct link
The Bracket Project's Bracket Matrix - 2012

**NickTheGreat** · 02-21-2012, 12:24 PM

How does one become a bracketologist? Seems like it's right up there with TV weatherman in terms of job performance and continued employment.

(sorta)

**SvrWxCy** · 02-21-2012, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by NickTheGreat

How does one become a bracketologist? Seems like it's right up there with TV weatherman in terms of job performance and continued employment.

(sorta)

Ouch... Although I'm not a TV weatherman that still is a stab.

I'll agree on one thing though, Palm is the only one out of 69 people on The Bracket Project that has Iowa State out. It's also interesting to note how some of the big name bracketologists really don't do that well when compared to all of the others out there, Gary Parrish (CBS) is the first big name that shows up in rankings and he is 16th.

**NickTheGreat** · 02-21-2012, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by SvrWxCy

Ouch... Although I'm not a TV weatherman that still is a stab.

I'll agree on one thing though, Palm is the only one out of 69 people on The Bracket Project that has Iowa State out. It's also interesting to note how some of the big name bracketologists really don't do that well when compared to all of the others out there, Gary Parrish (CBS) is the first big name that shows up in rankings and he is 16th.

I'm not really a TV weatherman basher. I just thought it was funny.

**CycloneJames** · 02-21-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by SvrWxCy

Ouch... Although I'm not a TV weatherman that still is a stab.

I'll agree on one thing though, Palm is the only one out of 69 people on The Bracket Project that has Iowa State out. It's also interesting to note how some of the big name bracketologists really don't do that well when compared to all of the others out there, Gary Parrish (CBS) is the first big name that shows up in rankings and he is 16th.

The problem is that people like Lunardi and everyone else are making their best guessing on who they think should be in, and then the selection committee decides who they think is best. No one (that I know of) was picking UAB over Colorado last year, except the actual ones that mattered. So am I going to blame Lunardi for getting it wrong and give credit to some other fool who got it right?

I agree that these rankings are interesting, but I'm not sure it really means a whole lot. The committee makes such dumb decisions sometimes you can't blame people who didn't predict it.

**cy1010** · 02-21-2012, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneJames

The problem is that people like Lunardi and everyone else are making their best guessing on who they think should be in, and then the selection committee decides who they think is best. No one (that I know of) was picking UAB over Colorado last year, except the actual ones that mattered. So am I going to blame Lunardi for getting it wrong and give credit to some other fool who got it right?

I agree that these rankings are interesting, but I'm not sure it really means a whole lot. The committee makes such dumb decisions sometimes you can't blame people who didn't predict it.

You can blame them when there is hardly even a good faith basis for their "selections" and they're clearly just doing it to pander to their Big 10 audience. Journalistic integrity would be nice, even if he's not technically a journalist.