Flopping

**Jambalaya** · 02-23-2012, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by JUKEBOX

I would feel bad booing the guy, but his flops were awful occurring every two seconds. I was hoping Royce would flop against him just as a joke.

I hate flopping. Iowa's Jess Settles, Jacob Jaacks, and Brunner perfected that lousy ploy to draw a cheap foul.

I enjoyed watching that punk Jaacks on Iowa's full-court press. The ball would be inbounded, and Jaacks would run up to the player with the ball and chest-bump him, and flop wildly backwards to the floor, flailing away.

Most of the officials--like Ed Hightower, blew the whistle for 'charging' .

The punk got away with it all the time

**Ames** · 02-23-2012, 01:43 PM

At one point he flopped, no call, then flopped again and got the call. Same play.

**Knownothing** · 02-23-2012, 01:44 PM

I watched the video. After viewing it. I am convinced the guy shot the ball, Mcgee went and jumped in a semi truck. Drove it out on to the floor and ran the poor little guy over. That is what the shooters reaction is telling me. Their is a Duke player somewhere watching that game that is extremely impressed with his after the shot reaction.

**ajk4st8** · 02-23-2012, 01:46 PM

They seriously need to get rid of the charging call. No longer allow a defensive player to set his feet and 'draw' a foul.

Only call offensive fouls on out of control players or blatant push offs.

**Doc** · 02-23-2012, 01:58 PM

I'm ok with 5'-9' 155 lb guys flopping. It's the Plumlee brothers flopping that I can't stand.

Gillespie was hilarious with a couple of those looks after his players did stupid things, especially after Nurse tripped over his own feet.

**Clonefan94** · 02-23-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Jambalaya

I hate flopping. Iowa's Jess Settles, Jacob Jaacks, and Brunner perfected that lousy ploy to draw a cheap foul.

I enjoyed watching that punk Jaacks on Iowa's full-court press. The ball would be inbounded, and Jaacks would run up to the player with the ball and chest-bump him, and flop wildly backwards to the floor, flailing away.

Most of the officials--like Ed Hightower, blew the whistle for 'charging' .

The punk got away with it all the time

Isn't he still playing for Iowa?

I would like to see the charging call revisited. Instead of being called for what it really should be, an out of control offensive player, it's become a ploy for less talented players to get out of playing Defense. The charging calls have always bothered me to some extent, especially when a player is in control, but the defensive guy was able to squeeze a foot in there. This flopping thing has taken it to a new level and Last nights game was hard to watch at times with Tech trying to grab a charge, what seemed like, every time down the court. I guess the simplest thing to do would be to start calling Ts when it's obvious that a guy is flopping. I mean getting called for traveling while you are trying to flop, because the defender was one step too far away, is ruining the game.

**Cydkar** · 02-23-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jordanj6502

I didn't see the smile, but I thought that was a brilliant call. Worst case he makes both and TTech gets the ball back with 25 sec left for the last shot.
More likely he misses the first or second (especially since it was a 1 and 1) and TTech gets the ball back with 25 sec.

That was a very sharp coaching move.

**oldman** · 02-23-2012, 03:12 PM

I remember one game during the Tim Floyd era, where a Neb(?) player actually grabbed one of our guys' jerseys and drug him down on top of him, like our player charged him.

**LindenCy** · 02-23-2012, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by oldman

I remember one game during the Tim Floyd era, where a Neb(?) player actually grabbed one of our guys' jerseys and drug him down on top of him, like our player charged him.

Ah, that does sound familiar. Anyone know the specifics?

**cy1010** · 02-23-2012, 03:27 PM

I just want to throw this out there, and I'm sure there will be some hate for it, but whatever. Everyone whines about the amount of diving in soccer, and trust me, I'm a huge fan and I don't like it either. But at least in soccer a ref is REQUIRED to give a yellow card (the rough equivalent of a technical foul) if he judges that the player took a dive in order to deceive the ref into granting a foul.

Start giving guys technical fouls for flopping and it will go a long way to cutting the crap out.

**IcSyU** · 02-23-2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

They seriously need to get rid of the charging call. No longer allow a defensive player to set his feet and 'draw' a foul.

Only call offensive fouls on out of control players or blatant push offs.

You don't have to set your feet for it to be a charge.

And most of the charges called are due to push offs, just not with the arm. When you use your shoulder to clear space that's still a push off. As soon as the shoulder and head dip the likelihood of an offensive foul being called skyrockets.

And what you see as flopping isn't necessarily as easy for the official to see. You still have to be at the perfect angle to see it.

**Knownothing** · 02-23-2012, 03:35 PM

And what you see as flopping isn't necessarily as easy for the official to see. You still have to be at the perfect angle to see it.

How come we can see it with no perfect angle but they can't and they are supposed to be trained to see it and not only that they get paid to see it. Yet that can't see it. I hate when people make excuses for people who don't do their job right. 15k can see something. Yet one guy who is actually paid to see it, can't.

**IcSyU** · 02-23-2012, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

How come we can see it with no perfect angle but they can't and they are supposed to be trained to see it and not only that they get paid to see it. Yet that can't see it. I hate when people make excuses for people who don't do their job right. 15k can see something. Yet one guy who is actually paid to see it, can't.

Have you ever officiated a basketball game? Now have you ever sat in the stands and watched one? Seeing something from above is a hell of a lot easier than seeing it when everyone on the floor is a lot taller than you. Not to mention the official has to pay attention to a lot more crap than some dude in the crowd does. He's watching to see that the shooter is behind the arc, then that the ball is released cleanly without contact to the arm or body of the shooter, then probably trailing his eyes to watch the rebounding area. A "flop" could be something as easy as the shooter landing on the defender's foot.

In last night's case, neither trail official has the angle to see whether it was a flop. The one official was near the scorer's table so he can't see if there is contact on the front of the shooter and the other trail official near free throw line extended across the court can't see if there is contact. He's just checking that if there is contact, had the defender gained initial guarding position and did the defender maintain verticality. You get to see replays repeatedly and casually watch the game, the official has a split second to process a ton of different ****.

So, in short, you're wrong. The referees did their jobs just fine on the flop in question. Now I won't say they were good because they were incredibly inconsistent but on the play in question they got it right.

**Knownothing** · 02-23-2012, 03:50 PM

Refs used to be better and they only had 2 working per game. BTW I sit courtside at Iowa State games. Yeah I am on the court. So I have the same view as the ref. The exact same view. Sometimes the ref get's in my way.

**kberyldial** · 02-23-2012, 03:56 PM

Pierre Jackson flops without falling at least six times every time he has the ball. That to me is way more annoying. I don't know how he deals with the constant whiplash of him flailing his head back anytime a defender gets close to him. Looks like he's sticking a paper clip in an outlet over and over and over and over.