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**CyJack13** · 02-28-2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonez7

If Royce can develop his game into playing the 3 instead of the 4, watch out. A good example of this was Derrick Williams last year. $$$.

He needs to lose about 30-40 pounds for that. There's only two or three SF's in the NBA over 250, LeBron and Artest being two of them, and Royce is what, like 275 now.

**JUKEBOX** · 02-28-2012, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

He needs to lose about 30-40 pounds for that. There's only two or three SF's in the NBA over 250, LeBron and Artest being two of them, and Royce is what, like 275 now.

He doesn't need to lose weight. Just needs to work on his perimeter shooting.

**CyJack13** · 02-28-2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by JUKEBOX

He doesn't need to lose weight. Just needs to work on his perimeter shooting.

To play 3 in the NBA? He needs to lose a lot of weight. There's a reason why you don't see NBA 3's that big.

**Tailg8er** · 02-28-2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by rhillary

I am confused. Why is Thomas Robinson not on there? Or Harrison Barnes? I know Barnes isn't a senior and could come back, but I would think Cody Zeller is coming back too. Also, what about PJ3 from Baylor? This list makes no sense....

LOL, ironic signature?

**JUKEBOX** · 02-28-2012, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

To play 3 in the NBA? He needs to lose a lot of weight. There's a reason why you don't see NBA 3's that big.

It's not fat though. I don't see how you think it's slowing him down/limiting his skills. In my opinion, it is an advantage for Royce.

**CyJack13** · 02-28-2012, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by JUKEBOX

It's not fat though. I don't see how you think it's slowing him down/limiting his skills. In my opinion, it is an advantage for Royce.

Not saying it's fat. Just saying he's not quick enough to guard NBA 3's at 270. LeBron is a freak athlete, the only other 3 that's that big is Artest and his weight gain really hurt his defense. You just can't be that big and guard guys that quick, unless you're LeBron. If you could do it, you would see guys bulking up more.

**Tre4ISU** · 02-28-2012, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

Not saying it's fat. Just saying he's not quick enough to guard NBA 3's at 270. LeBron is a freak athlete, the only other 3 that's that big is Artest and his weight gain really hurt his defense. You just can't be that big and guard guys that quick, unless you're LeBron. If you could do it, you would see guys bulking up more.

If you draft Royce under the assumption that he is of defensive value, at least at this point, you are fooling yourself. He will be a liability no matter who he is guarding in the NBA. He needs to develop a mid range jumper and he can play the 3. You draft guys for points in the NBA. You sign other guys for defense. The only exceptions are 7 footers or guys that change things in the lane. Royce will never be that. You use LeBron as an example, which, it's a good example, but how many 3s in the league can guard Royce? I don't think there are many if he refines his scoring a little.

**CyJack13** · 02-28-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tre4ISU

If you draft Royce under the assumption that he is of defensive value, at least at this point, you are fooling yourself. He will be a liability no matter who he is guarding in the NBA. He needs to develop a mid range jumper and he can play the 3. You draft guys for points in the NBA. You sign other guys for defense. The only exceptions are 7 footers or guys that change things in the lane. Royce will never be that. You use LeBron as an example, which, it's a good example, but how many 3s in the league can guard Royce? I don't think there are many if he refines his scoring a little.

So they're drafting a guy who averages 12 a game and hasn't hit double figures in four of his last seven games for his scoring? That's not a good sign for Royce.

If you can't play defense, you better be a Monta Ellis type scorer to get playing time. Royce isn't that type of guy. He's got a great game, but he's not going to be playing 3 in the NBA, there is no chance.

**swarthmoreCY** · 02-28-2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

If you can't play defense, you better be a Monta Ellis type scorer to get playing time. Royce isn't that type of guy. He's got a great game, but he's not going to be playing 3 in the NBA, there is no chance.

Royce could be a scorer, if not play maker, if he wanted to. He could also be a good defender, if he wanted to. A lack of "want to" does not stop many NBA scouts. I'd say no chance is way too strong. I never thought Fizer could be a 6th man of the year candidate.

**CyJack13** · 02-28-2012, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Royce could be a scorer, if not play maker, if he wanted to. He could also be a good defender, if he wanted to. A lack of "want to" does not stop many NBA scouts. I'd say no chance is way too strong. I never thought Fizer could be a 6th man of the year candidate.

What about his game lends him to playing the 3 in the NBA at all?

**reignofthetiger** · 02-28-2012, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonez7

If Royce can develop his game into playing the 3 instead of the 4, watch out. A good example of this was Derrick Williams last year. $$$.

I don't see Williams as a good comparison at all. Royce is much more muscular and an infinitely better passer. Williams has the athletic workings of a prototypical NBA 3, because he is long and a leaper. Apples and oranges.

I've been thinking about this for a while. Royce will probably never be a 3 because of lack of quickness and perimeter ability compared to all other NBA 3s. What would a team do if he was playing as the 3? They'd better hope the 4 or 5 could shoot, otherwise they will be SEVERELY offensively limited, despite his passing ability. Plus, only dominate forces like Shaq and Dwight Howard are allowed to shoot 50% on free throws. And on defense, as of now he wouldn't be able to come close to matching the lateral quickness of an opposing 3. I see Royce as a solid NBA 4, like a DeJuan Blair but with more offensive ability (mostly in terms of the passing). Could these weaknesses change in the next year or two? With the help from CFH, possibly! But it will take time and that is also why there is no chance he goes this year.

And if all that wasn't enough, we all saw how Diante got screwed last year in the draft when teams started drafting foreign players they knew would never come. Declaring early for the draft is insane unless you have are absolutely certain to be drafted in the 1st round.

**ZJohnson** · 02-28-2012, 11:10 PM

Draftexpress has him 27th in the 1st round of 2013.

**swarthmoreCY** · 02-28-2012, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

What about his game lends him to playing the 3 in the NBA at all?

His handle at his weight and size, plus passing, can be used to cause match-up problems. RW is (laterally) quicker than you are giving him credit- he is a freak. If he adds an outside jumper, he has potential. Fizer figured out a role for himself as a 3/4 hybrid, I am sure RW will as well.

**CyJack13** · 02-28-2012, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

His handle at his weight and size, plus passing, can be used to cause match-up problems. RW is (laterally) quicker than you are giving him credit- he is a freak. If he adds an outside jumper, he has potential. Fizer figured out a role for himself as a 3/4 hybrid, I am sure RW will as well.

He is a great athlete, but the NBA is full of other great athletes. He can use his passing at the 4 spot just as well as he could at the 3 spot. For as good of a ball handler as he is, he does have an extremely high turnover rate, he's tenth in the nation in turnovers. Even if, and it's a huge if, he adds an outside jumper, he's still going to struggle tremendously guarding NBA 3's on the perimeter at his size. The NBA has been skewing toward smaller line ups for the better part of the last decade, there is a place for Royce in the NBA, it's just not going to be at the 3 spot.

**swarthmoreCY** · 02-28-2012, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

He is a great athlete, but the NBA is full of other great athletes. He can use his passing at the 4 spot just as well as he could at the 3 spot. For as good of a ball handler as he is, he does have an extremely high turnover rate, he's tenth in the nation in turnovers. Even if, and it's a huge if, he adds an outside jumper, he's still going to struggle tremendously guarding NBA 3's on the perimeter at his size. The NBA has been skewing toward smaller line ups for the better part of the last decade, there is a place for Royce in the NBA, it's just not going to be at the 3 spot.

It will be at the three just as much as it will the four. Royce will not have as much trouble guarding NBA threes as you think. He is one of those 260 pound freaks that can be sufficient on defense. Watch the NBA sometime, there are many three's with worse foot-speed than RW. Ball-handling is not an issue, it is decision making.