Can we get rid of the charge call?

**ruxCYtable** · 02-29-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by rhillary

The worst part is that this year they added this zone where supposedly there is no charges to be called. Watch almost every charge and the dude's heels are always on the line but yet, surprising, charge call. Refs totally ignore the stripe on the court, it is pathetic.

Once again I must point out lack of rules knowledge. The circle applies to SECONDARY DEFENDERS. 1-1 plays, push-offs and lowered shoulders are still charges no matter what. And the line is there as a guideline, not a hard and fast rule, so a "heel on the line" doesn't matter. We can't win under the current rules so let's change them. Are you ******* kidding me?

People need to quit ******** about the refs every time we lose a game. It's ridiculous. Pick up a ******* rulebook, people, or, better yet, a whistle.

**ajk4st8** · 02-29-2012, 10:36 PM

Please stop allowing defenders to plant their feet and intentionally draw charges. Worst thing in college basketball.

Charges should be called if an offensive player is out of control or pushes off etc.. just do NOT let defenders intentionally draw fouls this way. Lots of charges would be called still.

Something that will probably never change, but I think it would make things much better.

*side note* I think the officiating was just fine tonight, but just think this would clean up college basketball.

**BusterCherry** · 02-29-2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by ccyclonepower25

This is the worst call in basketball, at all levels. Totally swings the game by taking away an offensive bucket a lot of the time. It usually goes to the home team. And it encourages flopping & faking. This isn't Hollywood, it is sports. I hate flops.

+10000

It's not basketball. I hate the flops too

**acrozier22** · 02-29-2012, 10:40 PM

Maybe the worst thread ever. Get rid of the charge call. So you would make it legal to just ram rod your way over players? Horrible idea for the game and incredibly unsafe.

I need to stay away from this board on nights we lose because we get all of the freaking crazies posting...

**Skyh13** · 02-29-2012, 10:41 PM

The problem with the charge call this year is that it seems like, as long as the guys feet are outside the circle, if he falls over it's a charge. I've seen like 2 blocking calls all season, it's been ridiculous.

**ajk4st8** · 02-29-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

Maybe the worst thread ever. Get rid of the charge call. So you would make it legal to just ram rod your way over players? Horrible idea for the game and incredibly unsafe.

I need to stay away from this board on nights we lose because we get all of the freaking crazies posting...

No just stop allowing players to intentionally draw charges. Offensive fouls should still be called.

**acrozier22** · 02-29-2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

No just stop allowing players to intentionally draw charges. Offensive fouls should still be called.

What? Intentionally draw charges? Do you read the words you are typing on your screen???

**Yellow Snow** · 02-29-2012, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by ruxCYtable

Once again I must point out lack of rules knowledge. The circle applies to SECONDARY DEFENDERS. 1-1 plays, push-offs and lowered shoulders are still charges no matter what. And the line is there as a guideline, not a hard and fast rule, so a "heel on the line" doesn't matter. We can't win under the current rules so let's change them. Are you ******* kidding me?

People need to quit ******** about the refs every time we lose a game. It's ridiculous. Pick up a ******* rulebook, people, or, better yet, a whistle.

This is exactly right! The circle only applies to a guy HELPING out on defense. Thus, you can't slide off your guy to draw a charge under the hoop from an offensive player that beat HIS defender. That's it...

If YOUR guy backs you down and throws an elbow into your side, moves you out of the way and dunks on you, it is still an OFFENSIVE foul no matter where your feet are. By the same token, if a guy is in transition, and you pick him up... YOU are the primary defender and there is no circle with respect to charge/block.

**ajk4st8** · 02-29-2012, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

What? Intentionally draw charges? Do you read the words you are typing on your screen???

I guess I always assumed that often times guys slide over in front of a ball handler and plant their feet.. stand still and intentionally draw a foul.

That needs to go.

**balken** · 02-29-2012, 10:45 PM

Also, let's get rid of that pesky traveling call. Slows down the game and really hampers the offense.

**acrozier22** · 02-29-2012, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Yellow Snow

This is exactly right! The circle only applies to a guy HELPING out on defense. Thus, you can't slide off your guy to draw a charge under the hoop from an offensive player that beat HIS defender. That's it...

If YOUR guy backs you down and throws an elbow into your side, moves you out of the way and dunks on you, it is still an OFFENSIVE foul no matter where your feet are. By the same token, if a guy is in transition, and you pick him up... YOU are the primary defender and there is no circle with respect to charge/block.

Don't bring your facts and knowledge of the rules into this thread of idiocy!!! How dare you!!

**acrozier22** · 02-29-2012, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

I guess I always assumed that often times guys slide over in front of a ball handler and plant their feet.. stand still and intentionally draw a foul.

That needs to go.

A player is entitled to any spot on the floor. When a guy slides in front of a ball handler and sets his feet, he is entitled to that spot. It's called LEGAL GUARDING POSITION. It's been a rule FOREVER. What you are saying is that the defense must let the offense go around them because god forbid they get in front of them.

Two things:

1. Learn the rules.
2. Stop posting tonight.

**FDWxMan** · 02-29-2012, 10:58 PM

Exactly. A defender has the right to his space. Take away "intentionally" drawing a charge and you have effectively made defense illegal.

**Yellow Snow** · 02-29-2012, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

A player is entitled to any spot on the floor. When a guy slides in front of a ball handler and sets his feet, he is entitled to that spot. It's called LEGAL GUARDING POSITION. It's been a rule FOREVER. What you are saying is that the defense must let the offense go around them because god forbid they get in front of them.

Two things:

1. Learn the rules.
2. Stop posting tonight.

Correct me if i am wrong, but i think the intent of adding the "no charge" circle was implemented to stop that Duke style move of having an off ball defender slide over and stand under the rim.

Basically, the offensive player can't get to the rim without running that guy over (even to just shoot a layup), and the off ball defender will get to that spot faster EVERY TIME. Nothing looks more ridiculous than a dude standing under the net holding his nuts waiting for a guy who actually BEAT his defender to knock him over.

**ajk4st8** · 02-29-2012, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

A player is entitled to any spot on the floor. When a guy slides in front of a ball handler and sets his feet, he is entitled to that spot. It's called LEGAL GUARDING POSITION. It's been a rule FOREVER. What you are saying is that the defense must let the offense go around them because god forbid they get in front of them.

Two things:

1. Learn the rules.
2. Stop posting tonight.

By 'intentionally drawing a foul'.... i meant when the player stands still in front of another player and flops backwards at the instant of contact. years ago there was a rule that penalized players for faking getting fouled, If I remember correctly.

Dude, I know the rules... its my fault for not being clear here.

Obviously you have to allow defenders to have equal opportunity to the floor.