Paul Shirley in the DMR about end of 2001 season

[RayShimley]

That was harsh considering when he wrote it but show me where he is wrong.

Whether he was "wrong" or not doesn't change the fact that it was the epitome of arrogance.

[CapnCy]

I don't understand how everyone is so upset over this. If anything, this is the most accurate recount of the events we have heard yet. Everyone always ******* and moans and wants to know more, they want to know the why, then when they do and it's not what they wanted to hear they attack the source. I remember this season very well as a number of these guys, including Paul were among my friends in school. The chemisty on that team was TERRIBLE. Larry said himself on Murph and Andy that the pressure was nuts that year and he couldn't wait for the season to be over. I really think it was the perfect storm of mental and physical exhaustion. That team was already very thin and hit with injuries, both nagging and somewhat serious, the whole year. Add those minutes with a team that really didn't like eachother then stir it up with a coach on the verge of a mental breakdown and you have the Baylor and Hampton losses... We can't go back and change history to make it all rainbows and unicorns, so stop trying.

Well said! I agree...are about 15-20 people who know MOST of the story...and Paul is one of them. Like I said earlier, I don't see this as sour grapes...and I believe Paul can be frustrated by how it all worked out.

This insight is also a reminder why I love Hoiberg/Rhoads and the mentality they have and put to their team. Honestly, if we win or lose tonight, I am probably more proud of this team that that team Paul was on. I had three of the players come over to me the other day at the selection show to intentionally say hello to my daughter who'd they'd met before....just classy guys!

[cybsball20]

This insight is also a reminder why I love Hoiberg/Rhoads and the mentality they have and put to their team. Honestly, if we win or lose tonight, I am probably more proud of this team that that team Paul was on. I had three of the players come over to me the other day at the selection show to intentionally say hello to my daughter who'd they'd met before....just classy guys!

and THIS was the entire point of the blog... trust me, he could have written MUCH MUCH worse

[Angie]

Whether he was "wrong" or not doesn't change the fact that it was the epitome of arrogance.

I just have to keep quoting you, because you're right all over the place.

[RayShimley]

and THIS was the entire point of the blog... trust me, he could have written MUCH MUCH worse

I'm sure he's saving something for next year...That's just good business sense.

[2ndCyCE]

I'm sure he's saving something for next year...That's just good business sense.

Will the Register run the article before our National Championship or after?

[Angie]

That was harsh considering when he wrote it but show me where he is wrong.

Do you say the same for the victims of Katrina?

[CycloneErik]

Do you say the same for the victims of Katrina?

Are you looking for a political thread?

This thing has an over/under of 5.5 posts before it goes all the way over the edge of the cliff.

[ISUAgronomist]

Are you looking for a political thread?

This thing has an over/under of 5.5 posts before it goes all the way over the edge of the cliff.

It's so close.

[Angie]

Are you looking for a political thread?

This thing has an over/under of 5.5 posts before it goes all the way over the edge of the cliff.

Not at all. This is pure geography. New Orleans is in a position to be destroyed by flooding and hurricanes time and again, they are below sea level. Does PS spew at them that they need to learn to use a condom?

[00clone]

That was harsh considering when he wrote it but show me where he is wrong.

To me, I see 3 main perceptions.

1: Shirley's a whiner
2: It's probably all true, but he could have made his point without all the gristly bits.
3: His missive is fine.

The detail he went into is why I'm in the 2 camp, and the crux of the difference between 2 and 3. Both 2 & 3 camps understand it's probably true, and can (likely did) cause things like happened with Hampton. But this far out, and also considering LE was probably full into alcohol jerk-ism, and has now (seemingly) gotten himself straightened out, you can make that point without the nasty details. He could have said that the team was not playing together, they were coming apart at the seams, they were not interested in even being with each other, much less playing as a team. But to me, dragging those details out into the public consumption is too much. You can say those things in a room over drinks with friends, but putting it on full display on the intertubes is unnecessary.

[cybsball20]

He could have said that the team was not playing together, they were coming apart at the seams, they were not interested in even being with each other, much less playing as a team. But to me, dragging those details out into the public consumption is too much. You can say those things in a room over drinks with friends, but putting it on full display on the intertubes is unnecessary.

And that would be a very boring article that has been written 1,000 times.

[RayShimley]

To me, I see 3 main perceptions.

1: Shirley's a whiner
2: It's probably all true, but he could have made his point without all the gristly bits.
3: His missive is fine.

The detail he went into is why I'm in the 2 camp, and the crux of the difference between 2 and 3. Both 2 & 3 camps understand it's probably true, and can (likely did) cause things like happened with Hampton. But this far out, and also considering LE was probably full into alcohol jerk-ism, and has now (seemingly) gotten himself straightened out, you can make that point without the nasty details. He could have said that the team was not playing together, they were coming apart at the seams, they were not interested in even being with each other, much less playing as a team. But to me, dragging those details out into the public consumption is too much. You can say those things in a room over drinks with friends, but putting it on full display on the intertubes is unnecessary.

This. Though I'd say I'm more in camp 4.

4: It's probably all true, but the main point of this article is that Paul Shirley just likes to see his name in press.

[00clone]

And that would be a very boring article that has been written 1,000 times.

Quite possibly, and I'm not a writer, but I'd prefer to take being boring while having some class than getting page views while have very little of it. I guess that's why I'd never be successful blogging, but I'd not make that tradeoff.

*edit* It just clicked for the main why this seemed wrong to me. He's talking about poor teaming, and is exhibiting a prime example of being a bad teammate. On a team that is trying to compete at high levels, you put yourself in a position of vulnerability, because you will have weak moments. Talking about others' moments of weakness outside the team environment (especially one as public as an internet published piece) is breaking that trust. Sure it's 10+ years later, but if I did any business with Mr. Shirley, I'd no longer trust him with any confidential information.

And yes, this is kind of making his point, but it shows the difference. There was a game earlier this year where one of the players sat all or a great majority of it out...don't recall who...CFH was asked about it after the game, and he said it was a 'coach's decision'. Now, I assume the player did something wrong, not serious enough to warrant an official suspension, but CFH didn't air the team's dirty laundry outside the team environment.

The one HUGE exception to that rule, though, is Sandusky stuff. If it's illegal, you make sure it's handled. Don't have to call a press conference, but you do go outside the team there.

[ricochet]

Not at all. This is pure geography. New Orleans is in a position to be destroyed by flooding and hurricanes time and again, they are below sea level. Does PS spew at them that they need to learn to use a condom?

Isn't the condom remark related to HIV rates in Haiti? Not sure what New Orleans, flooding, and hurricanes have to do with HIV transmission.