Paul Shirley in the DMR about end of 2001 season

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Originally Posted by EggMcClone

I haven't gotten that impression at all. He's given tons of credit to Tim Floyd for giving him a chance and (despite what some people think) has written good things about ISU as well. I do think he really hated playing for Eustachy. I loved the results that Eustachy got out of those teams, but, honestly, most of us probably would have hated playing for him then too.

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This. He gives a lot of credit to Iowa State. In his book, he doesn't hate on Iowa State, the complaining is directed at his teammates for not caring about the team as a whole. I'm sure a lot of people on this board have co-workers, bosses, professors, members of group projects etc. that you don't like to work with.

I, for one, like the article; Shed's some light as to why that team flamed out at the end of the year.

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Originally Posted by im4cyclones

And yet Paul was part of two special seasons, albeit one had a horrible ending. And he still got his shot in the NBA. Wasn't he a walk-on? Regardless, a good career for most college bball players. Plus, his basketball experiences opened up doors for his writing. It isn't like he got run.

If things were so bad at the end, step up and pull people together. You were a SENIOR starter on the team. Demonstrate some leadership.

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That is very true. I don't understand why he brought this article out now. It definitely was all about him. He gave a few sentences of thought towards this year's team, and the rest was about how terrible his career was. He should blame himself partly for not stepping up as a senior.

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Originally Posted by im4cyclones

Not defending LE or discrediting Paul. Just sad that somebody who was part of something special and had some experiences that few ISU players (or any b12 players outside of KU) got to experience.

LE has moved on, cleaned up, and hopefully found peace. We have moved on and have healed. I wish Paul would move on and heal too.

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What wopuld he have to write about at this point then? He is a blogger.

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Originally Posted by only4cy

Shirley is all about Shirley. Boo-hoo, coach said mean things to me. The MSU game showed how he handles adversity. Instead of being mad and/or trying to support his teammates still playing, he sat on the bench and sobbed uncontrollably.

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This. My most vivid memory of PS, bawling like a little girl.

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Originally Posted by dudeabides

This. My most vivid memory of PS, bawling like a little girl.

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He wanted to win. Larry wanted to coach someone else. The end of that season still pisses me off. Larry wasn't ready for the big time.

Of course that was Tinsley's team, is he serious with that?

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Originally Posted by DutchViking

I know we all have bad memories about this game, but this piece by Paul Shirley about the end of that season is crazy.

Ex-Cyclone Paul Shirley: Hoiberg builds bond ISU lacked | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com

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I haven't read this entire thread yet, but I submit to everyone here that LE's disease was at its worst point right then and there.

It's been a long, hard road back for both he and ISU basketball. To paraphrase Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven, "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." But both LE and ISU basketball both deserve something good to happen this weekend.

Not reading all posts, but don't take this as gospel. Paul is a cry baby and is full of it, and himself. He tries to tie it together in the end, but he is still just whining and crying (literally). Such a donkey.

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Originally Posted by cyson

He wanted to win. Larry wanted to coach someone else. The end of that season still pisses me off. Larry wasn't ready for the big time.

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Talking about the MSU game, pretty sure LE wanted that win too.

Paul has been bitter in his post Iowa State career. He comes across as pretty mean.

That being said, anyone who watched him after that Hampton game, realizes that AT THAT TIME he did care that they lost. I don't doubt what he wrote. Hell, Larry has said this year that he didn't allow those teams to enjoy what they were doing and he regrets that.

Second, I thought the essay was kind of nice. He wished Larry well. And he had nice things to say about Iowa State and Hoiberg.

I will add that I think LE and Paul need to sit down together and discuss this. It would be good for LE's continuing recovery, and Paul needs to consider forgiving him at this point.

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Originally Posted by uthaman

I had to deal with LE on numerous occasions in my job. The guy was always a complete *******. I can not imagine what it would have been like seeing that guy every day for 6 months, and in a setting where he was your boss.

That said it is time for Paul to let it go. And for some of you to let go the love for LE and the hatred of anyone who has a negative story about the guy...

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Some of the LE haters could let it go too... notably Go2guy, who is bound to show up if you say Eustachy 3 times. LE wasn't perfect (in fact, he had plenty of issues, and he wouldnt disagree if you said so), but he also gave us 2 of the best years in Iowa State history.

Agreed Paul needs to let it go... seems once a year we get another column by him complaining about his experience here. We get it already. 10 years seems a bit long to hold a grudge.

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Originally Posted by ribsnwhiskey

Let's see. Larry has moved on. Tinsley is still in the league. All crybaby is doing is living in the past. Move on.

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But JT is just taking up a nba roster space. D-Rose made him his ***** last weekend. I think in all this the one that goes down in my eyes is JT.

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Originally Posted by dudeabides

Talking about the MSU game, pretty sure LE wanted that win too.

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Different season.

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Originally Posted by cyson

Different season.

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only4cy brought it up, but PS showed his sack-less colors.