NBA Draft Projections

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Originally Posted by cyclones12321

if white comes back, he will only raise his stock, possibly to a lottery pick. He has a chance to really make a run in the Ncaa's as well....hopefully he decides to stay......still has unfinished business here in ames

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Fred disagrees. He said yesterday that Royce won't really raise his stock by coming back. He'd be 4 years removed from high school if he came back. He's gone.

Just did some quick research. Against teams with NBA talent down low (Ohio State, UNC, and Duke), Draymond Green Shot 25 for 83 from the field (30%). That's not good.

Royce White? Against Baylor, Kansas, UCONN, and Kentucky shot 38 for 66 (57%)

Against NBA talent White has shown to be a MUCH better prospect than Draymond Green.

I think the important thing is what the OP stated, Royce went from no mention, to a first round pick immediately after his exposure in the NCAA.

What the rest of the world is learning is what we've already known

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Originally Posted by Clones85'

Fred disagrees. He said yesterday that Royce won't really raise his stock by coming back. He'd be 4 years removed from high school if he came back. He's gone.

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There is no doubt in my mind White would be drafted higher in the 2013 draft simply due to the draft class being weaker.

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Originally Posted by Clones85'

Fred disagrees. He said yesterday that Royce won't really raise his stock by coming back. He'd be 4 years removed from high school if he came back. He's gone.

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That's good, except that he didn't say that. He said that it wasn't certain either way on that. Check cyclonepride's posts on that interview. He was accurate all day with that.

Right now, we don't know that Fred agrees or disagrees. The way that man keeps his cards close to the vest, we won't know until he wants us to know.

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Originally Posted by clonetil01

Just got updated today and sure enough, after how he played this past weekend, he is finally getting some recognition and in a week goes from not on the board to a 1st round projection. I'd love to see it work out for him to be a first rounder and lock up some cash, NEXT YEAR!!!!

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Originally Posted by CycloneErik

That's good, except that he didn't say that. He said that it wasn't certain either way on that. Check cyclonepride's posts on that interview. He was accurate all day with that.

Right now, we don't know that Fred agrees or disagrees. The way that man keeps his cards close to the vest, we won't know until he wants us to know.

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So you didn't hear the interview? Gotcha.

Maybe I interpreted different but I took the way he said it to mean that he didn't really think it would matter much if he came back. In the end it doesn't matter. Royce is going pro as he should. Good for him and good for us. It's always good to have a player from Iowa State get drafted and play in the NBA

Either be a first round this year. Or be a lotto next year. I think that's the decision RW has to make.

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Originally Posted by Clones85'

So you didn't hear the interview? Gotcha.

Maybe I interpreted different but I took the way he said it to mean that he didn't really think it would matter much if he came back. In the end it doesn't matter. Royce is going pro as he should. Good for him and good for us. It's always good to have a player from Iowa State get drafted and play in the NBA

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So you heard what you wanted to hear. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Clones85'

Just did some quick research. Against teams with NBA talent down low (Ohio State, UNC, and Duke), Draymond Green Shot 25 for 83 from the field (30%). That's not good.

Royce White? Against Baylor, Kansas, UCONN, and Kentucky shot 38 for 66 (57%)

Against NBA talent White has shown to be a MUCH better prospect than Draymond Green.

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Going to trust you're right about those #s, very well done.

I think that's a great indicator of the ceiling, but not a good indicator of who would actually play more minutes right now. There's still a very good chance Green is a better NBA contributor than White on day one, but there's a much less likely chance of Green ever becoming a more dangerous starter at any point.

Another thing that really matters is personnel of the team and injuries. Any player not taken in the top 15 or so really needs some breaks in the personnel and injury departments. The first half of the year the Bulls first round pick Jimmy Butler and journeyman John Lucas III (Ok State) played pretty much zero non-garbage time minutes. When Rose and Watson were hurt at the same time they both suddenly got a ton of minutes. Butler didn't really win himself more minutes when the team is at full strength, Lucas did himself major favors and will be getting minutes with the Bulls or some other team for at least the next year or so because of his play.

Who knows what might happen with Royce's situation. Brackins keeps coming up, CB may be an injury away from proving he does or doesn't belong in the NBA.

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Originally Posted by CycloneErik

So you heard what you wanted to hear. Gotcha.

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CycloneErik being a sarcastic guy. Shocking.

I'll take one from your page. Yep, I want to hear that our best player is leaving early to go to the NBA. I'd rather Iowa State not be a top 10 team next year..........

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Originally Posted by Clones85'

CycloneErik being a sarcastic guy. Shocking.

I'll take one from your page. Yep, I want to hear that our best player is leaving early to go to the NBA. I'd rather Iowa State not be a top 10 team next year..........

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That wasn't sarcastic. Just a straight-forward evaluation.

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Originally Posted by CycloneErik

That's good, except that he didn't say that. He said that it wasn't certain either way on that. Check cyclonepride's posts on that interview. He was accurate all day with that.

Right now, we don't know that Fred agrees or disagrees. The way that man keeps his cards close to the vest, we won't know until he wants us to know.

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Originally Posted by CycloneErik

So you heard what you wanted to hear. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by CycloneErik

That wasn't sarcastic. Just a straight-forward evaluation.

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Sorry but you are being sarcastic and condescending. I'm not sure why you are in this thread but it's par for the course.

I didn't hear what I wanted to hear. If I did that I would have heard, "Royce is coming back next year and we are going to win the National title"

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Originally Posted by HFCS

Going to trust you're right about those #s, very well done.

I think that's a great indicator of the ceiling, but not a good indicator of who would actually play more minutes right now. There's still a very good chance Green is a better NBA contributor than White on day one, but there's a much less likely chance of Green ever becoming a more dangerous starter at any point.

Another thing that really matters is personnel of the team and injuries. Any player not taken in the top 15 or so really needs some breaks in the personnel and injury departments. The first half of the year the Bulls first round pick Jimmy Butler and journeyman John Lucas III (Ok State) played pretty much zero non-garbage time minutes. When Rose and Watson were hurt at the same time they both suddenly got a ton of minutes. Butler didn't really win himself more minutes when the team is at full strength, Lucas did himself major favors and will be getting minutes with the Bulls or some other team for at least the next year or so because of his play.

Who knows what might happen with Royce's situation. Brackins keeps coming up, CB may be an injury away from proving he does or doesn't belong in the NBA.

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Solid points. I think the only thing that holds Royce back from being a really good NBA player is Royce himself. Or should I say his issue with anxiety. Talent wise he has the goods to compete against the highest level of talent and do well.

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Originally Posted by ajk4st8

NBA drafts on potential... not how good you are right now.

Look at DeAndre Jordan from Texas AM.

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He throws down a couple alley oops a game. He is still terrible.