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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by bfross  Originally Posted by Clones21 We will be back in the Tourney regardless. If Texas can make it in the Tourney at 8-10 in the conference, then I think we can make it again next year without Royce. You people also keep forgetting that we have Lucious and Clyburn coming in. Probably two NBA prospects there. Clyburn maybe, Lucious, no chance.Our chances to make it back to the tourney next year probably depend on how the roster changes between now and the start of next season. If the probable starters stay the same way as they look today, it's dicey if we have enough to make it back to the dance IMO. That being said, I would be very surprised if the roster didn't look quite different by the time we start next season. Need to project tourney chances once the roster takes focus. We will be in the tourney next regardless if we get any more players. we might even be better than we were this year. just Wait and see.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by Clones21 We will be back in the Tourney regardless. If Texas can make it in the Tourney at 8-10 in the conference, then I think we can make it again next year without Royce. You people also keep forgetting that we have Lucious and Clyburn coming in. Probably two NBA prospects there.
no way in hell Lucious is an NBA prospect. No way. He struggled plenty at the pg position as MSU, and that is with plenty of talent around him. I saw him in the CCL and I thought he looked really good, but never NBA good. Adam Emmenecker looked a lot better than he did. Also, Texas played an extremely tough non conference schedule, that is why they got in at 8-10 in the conference. I highly doubt we play a schedule anywhere close to theirs. Right now we have a ways to go before I consider us a tourny team. We lose our TOP 3 scorers and the most valuable player on the roster in Royce. On top of that, the Big 12 will be better next year. A lot has to come together and a lot has to happen for a team that lost what we lost to get back into the tournament and it starts with getting more help in here on the front line.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by cayin no way in hell Lucious is an NBA prospect. No way. He struggled plenty at the pg position as MSU, and that is with plenty of talent around him. I saw him in the CCL and I thought he looked really good, but never NBA good. Adam Emmenecker looked a lot better than he did. Also, Texas played an extremely tough non conference schedule, that is why they got in at 8-10 in the conference. I highly doubt we play a schedule anywhere close to theirs. Right now we have a ways to go before I consider us a tourny team. We lose our TOP 3 scorers and the most valuable player on the roster in Royce. On top of that, the Big 12 will be better next year. A lot has to come together and a lot has to happen for a team that lost what we lost to get back into the tournament and it starts with getting more help in here on the front line. How so? Missouri is gone, Kansas will lose Withey, Robinson, Taylor. Baylor will lose Almost all there starters. Kansas State should be down with coaching change, A&M gone. So that leaves Texas, who should be better, unless brown leaves. West Virginia, who should be decent, but there stud may be done also. IA State, who should be just as good. Who is going to make the Big 12 better? I am not seeing it. I think it will be down. I think we have a real shot at winning the conference next year.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
One thing about Oriakhi is that I don't think he'll find out for sure if he can walk to another team until this summer.
I look for Lockett to happen and one to sit open for awhile.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
Ya, I'm not really buying that the conference is going to be stronger next year. If anything, it may be a little more even, with the top teams taking a step back, and the bottom teams being a little better.
Mizzou is gone. K-State will probably be similar to this year. Baylor loses a lot of talent, but will still be pretty good. KU will find a way to re-load, but I doubt they are a final 4 team again next year.
WVU I'm sure will be solid. TCU similar to A&M this year. OU and OSU should be improved, but not great by any means. Tech will probably be a little better, but not good.
Jury is still out on Texas, depending on what they lose, but I don't expect them to be a Final 4 caliber team by any means.
We should and can be right in the mix for the top 3-4 in the conference next year. If we add Lockett and another Big that is ready to contribute, we have enough talent to finish in the top 1-2 in the conference.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by acgclone Ya, I'm not really buying that the conference is going to be stronger next year. If anything, it may be a little more even, with the top teams taking a step back, and the bottom teams being a little better.
Mizzou is gone. K-State will probably be similar to this year. Baylor loses a lot of talent, but will still be pretty good. KU will find a way to re-load, but I doubt they are a final 4 team again next year.
WVU I'm sure will be solid. TCU similar to A&M this year. OU and OSU should be improved, but not great by any means. Tech will probably be a little better, but not good.
Jury is still out on Texas, depending on what they lose, but I don't expect them to be a Final 4 caliber team by any means.
We should and can be right in the mix for the top 3-4 in the conference next year. If we add Lockett and another Big that is ready to contribute, we have enough talent to finish in the top 1-2 in the conference. Baylor is bringing in TWO McDonalds AA's to go with very good players already on their roster. OSU was very talented and athletic this year, but they were young and had injuries. They also as a top 20 recruit next year. OU has everyone back and IMO the best coach in the conference. As you mentioned, KU will just reload and Texas has a top 5 recruiting class. So from a talent and experience standpoint, we are in about a 5-7 range in the conference which makes us a boarderline NCAA tournament team. If we get a decent big, I'm confident we can finish in the 3 to 5 range. Without one, it is going to be quite a challenge but doable.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by cayin no way in hell Lucious is an NBA prospect. No way. He struggled plenty at the pg position as MSU, and that is with plenty of talent around him. I saw him in the CCL and I thought he looked really good, but never NBA good. Adam Emmenecker looked a lot better than he did. Also, Texas played an extremely tough non conference schedule, that is why they got in at 8-10 in the conference. I highly doubt we play a schedule anywhere close to theirs. Right now we have a ways to go before I consider us a tourny team. We lose our TOP 3 scorers and the most valuable player on the roster in Royce. On top of that, the Big 12 will be better next year. A lot has to come together and a lot has to happen for a team that lost what we lost to get back into the tournament and it starts with getting more help in here on the front line. You don't suppose he could have improved in two years, do you? He may not have been one the last time we saw him, and may not be one coming out of the gate as a bit of an unknown quantity, but players can and do improve over time.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by cayin Baylor is bringing in TWO McDonalds AA's to go with very good players already on their roster. OSU was very talented and athletic this year, but they were young and had injuries. They also as a top 20 recruit next year. OU has everyone back and IMO the best coach in the conference. As you mentioned, KU will just reload and Texas has a top 5 recruiting class. So from a talent and experience standpoint, we are in about a 5-7 range in the conference which makes us a boarderline NCAA tournament team. If we get a decent big, I'm confident we can finish in the 3 to 5 range. Without one, it is going to be quite a challenge but doable. Percy is a real talent, and better than anyone that ISU could possibly get right now. Booker was playing great at the end also.
What exactly is KU reloading with?
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by MartyFine Percy is a real talent, and better than anyone that ISU could possibly get right now. Booker was playing great at the end also.
What exactly is KU reloading with? Two players that are sitting this year (Mclemore and Traylor) and 2012 recruits Ellis(5 Star), White (4 star), and Lucas (4 star). I called that reloading.
I played bball with Mclemore and Traylor other day at the gym. Mclemore is freakishly athletic and he is VERY good.
Withey, Johnson, Releford, and all those newcomers, they are def reloading and will fight for top 2-3 spots in big 12.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by greatshu Two players that are sitting this year (Mclemore and Traylor) and 2012 recruits Ellis(5 Star), White (4 star), and Lucas (4 star). I called that reloading.
I played bball with Mclemore and Traylor other day at the gym. Mclemore is freakishly athletic and he is VERY good.
Withey, Johnson, Releford, and all those newcomers, they are def reloading and will fight for top 2-3 spots in big 12. If what I've heard is true about McLemore, he could be a big time star - right away. I think we know what Releford and Johnson are: very solid role players. Withey is a problem in the middle.
If McLemore can come in and score in bunches as the hype suggests, KU could be pretty good. I'm not sure what to think about Traylor. Also, I'm not sure the other freshman are going to be big impacts early on - but that's ok, they'll have experience in the starting lineup. Could be "thin" again next year, but they weren't a deep team this year, and there they are- winning the conf and playing in the final four. As usual, Self will coach to the team's strengths.
Biggest question in my mind is what they get out of te PG position/ Nadir Tharpe.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by MartyFine Percy is a real talent, and better than anyone that ISU could possibly get right now. Booker was playing great at the end also.
What exactly is KU reloading with? KU has their 3 freshmen from this past season who should be eligible finally. Two of them were expected to play over guys like Young and Teahen. Plus they'll get their usual 1 or 2 top recruits (Ellis and Lucas?). They'll just be young, but Self is one of the best coaches in the country, period, and always gets the most out of his team. And Whithey isn't gone. He'll be back most likely.
Baylor is the opposite, losing lots of talent, but also lots of young talent coming in to join those that remain. But Drew is the best at NOT getting the most from his teams.
WVU will just be tough because of Huggy.
KSU has the talent to compete for the conference title if they had everything intact from this year. Who knows after a coaching change though...
Texas could be pretty good, especially if Brown comes back.
TTU and TCU will be the bottom, but could surprise some teams.
OU and OSU will both be really tough, between young teams growing, talent on hand, and talent coming in.
I don't see why this conference can't be really good, really tough once again, but as others stated - less top heavy and more even.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by greatshu Two players that are sitting this year (Mclemore and Traylor) and 2012 recruits Ellis(5 Star), White (4 star), and Lucas (4 star). I called that reloading.
I played bball with Mclemore and Traylor other day at the gym. Mclemore is freakishly athletic and he is VERY good.
Withey, Johnson, Releford, and all those newcomers, they are def reloading and will fight for top 2-3 spots in big 12. Lucas is a Rivals 3 star, but if we can throw as many stars that suit us on recruits then let's just call all ISU players 5 stars.
Who is their PG?
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
One thing people are forgetting about Oriakhi is that he is going to be looking for a school where he can fit and play a lot of minutes. ISU has an opening at his position where he would see Royce White type minutes. You can't say the same for the majority of the schools on his list. Look at his minutes at UCONN this year.... he was splitting minutes and got far less playing time then he did the year before. I would guess that is part of the reason the guy was not exactly a happy camper at UCONN.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
I did see Randy Peterson tweeted last night that the hold up with Oriahki is UConn's appeal with the NCAA on it's post season ban next season.
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Re: Oriakhi and Sanchez not interested YET in Iowa State
 Originally Posted by Clone96 I did see Randy Peterson tweeted last night that the hold up with Oriahki is UConn's appeal with the NCAA on it's post season ban next season. Still not going to happen.
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