WOW for SDW! That is a lot for someone his size.
WOW for SDW! That is a lot for someone his size.
Second bold part: Lower body explosiveness and strength is very important in basketball. Jumping and battling in the paint all requires lower body strength and power.
Third bold part: Establishing position, especially in the paint, requires extremely strong legs. You don't use your chest to establish position, you use your hips.
The 2 most important lifts an athlete can do to gain strength, power, and explosiveness in the lower body are squats and cleans. You can have the biggest bench press in the country and still get pushed around and not be able to jump if your legs and hips are weak. On the flip side, you can have the weakest bench press in the country, but have strong hips and legs and you will be able to push somebody around who's weaker in the lower body. Your feet anchor you to the ground and in order to exert a force, you must have strong hips and legs to keep that foothold, no matter how strong your chest is. Not many times in basketball will you be laying on your back pressing something off your chest.
That being said, the bench press is still important to give you upper body strength. I'm not saying its a useless lift. It's just really important to have a strong body throughout the entire chain. However, that chain all starts in the legs and hips. And the reason bench press is used for testing in sports like football and basketball is because its generally the easiest and safest lift to test in the weight room. You don't need to worry about somebody pulling a hamstring or busting their lower back in the bench press when doing maximum effort weight.
For recreational purposes, and the purpose of fitness, this will probably not happen to a large degree. But if you are trying to get an athletic advantage, you are going to get large in the legs and rear.
And Muscular strength is not the same as muscular hypertrophy.
The reason football players have huge legs and butts is because they not only lift for strength and power, but also size. It's important for football players to be bigger so in the off season a lot of them will lift primarily for muscular size. In the preseason and during the season is when they will switch and lift for power and more specific lifts.
And strength training for football and basketball is apples to oranges.
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Cool, but who cares so much? Leg strength is more important for this game for most, not all, things. I used to be able to shoot the ball well even when my upper body was weak as ****. Kevin Durant couldn't either going into the NBA and he still tore apart defenses (and offenses trying to rebound the ball).
You do need some upper body strength, obviously, for basketball. It's a game of motion and there's more to do. There are much better upper body strength telling exercises than an exercise which you lay motionless while you push up a symmetrical object above your chest. Bench press targets a few of the major muscle groups in the upper body, but not all. It does not do a good job, however, of targeting the smaller muscles which are required when you are doing more functional, real life types of strength-involving movements. I know guys who can bench press 300+ pounds and are still unathletic as ****, and when you get them on their feet, they aren't as strong as they seem. They're rather easy to knock down in reality and don't have the real life type of strength needed. They have "gym strength." Many people don't seem to understand that the body isn't like a replaceable parts rifle you just put together. There are muscle groups which you might not think of, that can have an affect on other things. For example, your abdominal unit attaches to your back, meaning if your abdominal unit is strong, then your back will be supported better and be stronger. Your back essentially "attaches" to your shoulders, which attach to your pecs and arms, etc. It's all connected.
Anyway, basketball players, thank god, have better leg strength and know there's more to the sport than just having upper body strength.
Good strides, just in general, but for basketball..that doesn't mean you are going to automatically be better at the game. Jumping, boxing out, etc has more to do with lower body strength than upper body strength. Obviously you need upper body strength for things like boxing out and shooting too, but it's a harmony of your entire body. Your legs are the trunk. Needs to be able to hold down the other person, but at the same time your upper body needs to hold down the person too.
For a guard, I don't care how much you can bench. For a forward or center, it matters a little more, but again it's a harmony of your entire body.
Obviously shooting the ball you need some upper body strength, but it doesn't require a ton of it in the slightest bit. Upper body strength can help with jumping too (and of course boxing out, to not be barreled over with someone is coming over the top of you), but for jumping at least, the difference between benching 200 pounds and 350 isn't going to make a huge difference in your vertical. It has more to do with your core and legs (i.e. calves, ankles, etc). Upper Body is a smaller part of that.
When I got a lot stronger, I actually found it harder to accurately shoot the ball from what I was used to. Obviously, we have staff that can help with it, but it takes a little bit of time to get used to the fact that you can hurl the ball further with not as much effort. If you are a shooter in this case, you'll have to put in some more reps to get used to it more.
I think the most important thing would be to note the strides the forwards and centers have made. Guards and pure shooters? Don't care how much they can bench.
This thread sucks balls.
Just curious, what did Royce bench, he was a beast.
He was in line with the combine numbers for a number of NFL DE, TE, LB, etc and better than many. I wish he didn't have back spasms that day, then we could have maybe been atop the NBA combine results for a category (other than largest hands)!
I didn't start this thread to talk about which was more important in basketball. I was simply stating that it's nice to see strength in our team. This is the only stat we know of so it's all we have to go off of. I'm guessing there are also pretty decent numbers at other lifts we just don't know them.
I know Kevin Durant is an amazing basketball player despite not being as strong as a lot of guys in the NBA, but I'm sure he would be the first to tell you he needs to get stronger. His inability keep bigger players off of the block have hurt the Thunder in their playoff series losses last year and this year. Durant has terrific skills but will be even better as he gets stronger.
2012 NFL Combine Results - Top 100 Players - NFL DraftTracker - ESPN
Lowest reps for the NFL in the top 100 is 23. I think if Royce did the 225 thing, he wouldn't be too far away from the top 100. Obviously he wouldn't be putting up 28 or 29 of 225, but he'd probably put somewhere between 18 and 23 I bet, which would be on par and better than a bunch of CB, WR, RB, TE, and a few LBs in the combine.
Also, I guess in pre combine workouts, Royce put up 30 reps. Still a beast, yes.