Big 12 Preseason Poll: Iowa State #8

[brokenloginagain]

Do OU, OSU and KSU really return a lot more talent than Clyburn, Lucious, Babb, Booker, Ejim, McGee, and Gibson? In terms of guys who've shown what they can do at high D1 level I don't think any of them bring back any more than us. I get what you're saying about Texas, Baylor, KU, WVU having high end talent, with the others I don't see some awesome returning talent that jumps OU, OSU, and KSU above us. I'll be absolutely shocked if all 3 of them improve past us this year.

OU returns everyone and adds a stud transfer. OSU gets Olukemi back, plus adds a super stud frosh. KSU made the second round of the tourney last year and returns everyone (except samuels and their coach).

did you forget it took us last second shots to beat OSU and KSU at home last year?

you have three schools with coaches who never miss the tourney: WVU, TX, and KU.
you have two schools loaded with nba talent, including likely lottery picks: OSU and Bay
you have two schools that return essentially their entire team from last year: OU and KSU

that's why we're picked 8th. i think we're going to be good, but that why I said i had no issue with the coaches ranking us 8th (and let's face it most coaches (or their SID) probably spent 45 seconds on this process).

[RyCy04]

I'm concerned about KU's dominance in this conference.

Somebody needs to step up and knock them off, or they are gonna go "John Wooden" on us and rack up something like, 10-11-12 consecutive titles. And the B12 will start getting ribs from outsiders that we are a Big 1 + 11 dwarfs conference; resembling CUSA.

You may want to do a recount.

[HFCS]

OU returns everyone and adds a stud transfer. OSU gets Olukemi back, plus adds a super stud frosh. KSU made the second round of the tourney last year and returns everyone (except samuels and their coach).

did you forget it took us last second shots to beat OSU and KSU at home last year?

you have three schools with coaches who never miss the tourney: WVU, TX, and KU.
you have two schools loaded with nba talent, including likely lottery picks: OSU and Bay
you have two schools that return essentially their entire team from last year: OU and KSU

that's why we're picked 8th. i think we're going to be good, but that why I said i had no issue with the coaches ranking us 8th (and let's face it most coaches (or their SID) probably spent 45 seconds on this process).

Still disagree that there's any reason for OU/OSU/KSU to be above ISU other than ignoring who ISU is added that's already been practicing with the team and pumping up unproven freshmen, transfers matter for other teams but not us, and a 9ppg player coming off ACL surgery is NBA megastar potential.

I watch 10x more NBA than college and OU, OSU and KSU are not returning epic NBA talent, nothing more than Will Clyburn in terms of that. Maybe they have top five pick one and done freshman megastars and transfers coming in because I don't follow recruiting but I saw nothing last year that I didn't think ISU plus it's own additions won't match up well against.

[Go2Guy]

You may want to do a recount.

I stand corrected - thanks, but my concerns remain :)

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

Remember when A&M was supposed to be co-champs last year?

This means nothing

[Cytasticlone]

Underdogs again! Love it!

Kansas Unanimous Choice To Win Big 12 Men's Basketball Title - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site

EDIT: Based on our point total, it looks like eight of the coaches voted ISU #8 and the other one put ISU #7.

Your off by one point per vote. Coaches can't vote for their own team.

1st = 9
2nd = 8
...
7th = 3
8th = 2

We could have gotten 8x #7 and 1x #6 = 8x3+1x4 = 28

Chances are it's more of a mixed bag than that, but it's possible all the coaches thought of us as 6th or 7th place and the totals just worked out to 8th vs the totals of the other teams.

[Cycl1]

I love how in football and basketball the last few years we have exceeded expectations yet we still get no respect..

when our recruiting classes will improve, so will our preseason ranks... next couple years in basketball should show this.

[BringBackJohnny]

I feel good about the season. Hilton should be rocking all season and if the Clones hold home court well this season then pick up some wins on the road last season I think they can finish top 4.

I think they will win on the road for a few reasons
1. Senior Leadership
2. Improved defensive abilities
3. Depth of bench
4. Less reliance on the 3 ball

Last year we lived and died by the 3 ball and it was brutal at times. Being able to still shoot the 3 is key but ISU has many more options for points this season so needing one guy to be "hot" is not as necessary. Couple that with leaderhip and improved defensive play and the Clones should have a high probability of success in each game this season.

[kberyldial]

Ubben must have gotten to the coaches. Bastardo!

[Cydkar]

I'm concerned about KU's dominance in this conference.

Somebody needs to step up and knock them off, or they are gonna go "John Wooden" on us and rack up something like, 10-11-12 consecutive titles. And the B12 will start getting ribs from outsiders that we are a Big 1 + 9 dwarfs conference; resembling CUSA.

This concerns you?

[brokenloginagain]

Do OU, OSU and KSU really return a lot more talent than Clyburn, Lucious, Babb, Booker, Ejim, McGee, and Gibson? In terms of guys who've shown what they can do at high D1 level I don't think any of them bring back any more than us. I get what you're saying about Texas, Baylor, KU, WVU having high end talent, with the others I don't see some awesome returning talent that jumps OU, OSU, and KSU above us. I'll be absolutely shocked if all 3 of them improve past us this year.

if you look at the big 12 coaches preseason b12 all-conference team, ISU had zero players winning any awards, being on the 1st team, or honorable mention (which i wouldn't agree with). OU, KSU, and OSU had a combined six players. coaches think their returning talent is better than ours.

[BoxsterCy]

Underdogs again! Love it!

Kansas Unanimous Choice To Win Big 12 Men's Basketball Title - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site

EDIT: Based on our point total, it looks like eight of the coaches voted ISU #8 and the other one put ISU #7.

I would rather be picked to win the conference.

[kucyclone]

Come to think of it, the "Big 9 plus Kansas" works for both sports.

[Go2Guy]

This concerns you?

yes. but not you?

[bawbie]

Wow, the BigXII is a small league this year. Of the preseason 1st-team and honorable mentions (11 players total), only Withey, Osby and Austin are taller than 6'7". The rest are all guards.

Also, why is the transfer who averaged 12 and 6 at Wyoming the newcomer of the year instead of the transfer who averaged 17 and 8 at Utah?

Jackson Leads Preseason All-Big 12 Squad - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site