Ken Pom Rankings - ISU 62nd

**Doc** · 10-30-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jay_Clone

College basketball is loaded with transfers. He clearly needs to change his system if he wants to ever become relevant.

If he considered transfers, ISU would be lower in the rankings than 62 because Lucious would be a huge drain on the projected offensive efficiency of the team.

**Wesley** · 10-30-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by brokenloginagain

if you bother to read his blog, he explains everything you geniuses are complaining about.

the kenpom.com blog

transfers may (our case) or may not (many others) help, the statistics suggest there's no way to predict this.

It will help in our case. A lot.

**Dale** · 10-30-2012, 10:56 AM

Basketball Prospectus' statistical preseason rankings, which is adjusted for incoming transfers, has Iowa State ranked no. 30 and projected to go 11-7 in conference play. It pegs us as slightly better both offensively and defensively than last season.

**pyrocyz** · 10-30-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jay_Clone

College basketball is loaded with transfers. He clearly needs to change his system if he wants to ever become relevant.

Only if he cares about pre-season only. His rankings are quite good once games have been played.

**GoSTATE71** · 10-30-2012, 11:02 AM

**theCyBooty** · 10-30-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by CyJack13

He does mention in his blog that his system doesn't account for impact transfers so the addition of Luscious and Clyburn would probably push us ahead of both UNI and Iowa.

2013 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

Doesn't take transfers into account but does account for incoming freshmen. How does that make any sense. Transfers and freshmen are essentially the same, newcomers to the program. How do you include one type of newcomer but exclude the other?

**ricochet** · 10-30-2012, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by theCyBooty

Doesn't take transfers into account but does account for incoming freshmen. How does that make any sense. Transfers and freshmen are essentially the same, newcomers to the program. How do you include one type of newcomer but exclude the other?

Only freshmen in the top 100 are taken into account. Generally transfers aren't of that caliber so it does make some sense. He even mentions Royce being an unusual case, and hopefully next year he will point out again that Iowa State was an exception and had a first round NBA draft choice as a transfer.

**Guetterdone1** · 10-30-2012, 12:11 PM

Who refers to UNLV as Nevada Los Vegas? Just write in what everyone knows it as.

**IbSvU** · 10-30-2012, 02:04 PM

Should be top 25 after the non-conference

**greatshu** · 10-30-2012, 02:44 PM

Pre-season rankings are garbage. Only ranking we care is the one in March.

Let's go Clones. Time to prove they are all wrong once again!

**brett108** · 10-30-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by brokenloginagain

actually, they aren't.

the kenpom.com blog

This onyl works with the best of the best. When you are talking about 30-60, I don't think the AP are the savants you claim.

**Doc** · 10-30-2012, 09:30 PM

He really treats his rankings more as an analysis tool than a predictor. He doesn't even recommend predicting the NCAA tourney games based solely on his rankings. In fact, he points out that 30 games isn't really enough for a computer to accurately predict a team's performance.

**CrossCyed** · 10-30-2012, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Doc

He really treats his rankings more as an analysis tool than a predictor. He doesn't even recommend predicting the NCAA tourney games based solely on his rankings. In fact, he points out that 30 games isn't really enough for a computer to accurately predict a team's performance.

The Pomeroy Rankings and the data he collects is good enough for dozens of Division I college coaches, but it doesn't pass muster for the people here I guess.

**Doc** · 10-30-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

The Pomeroy Rankings and the data he collects is good enough for dozens of Division I college coaches, but it doesn't pass muster for the people here I guess.

You can tell by the way Fred/Abdelmassih talk that they agree with Pomeroy or even follow him. They both focus on the four factors quite frequently.

**SplitIdentity** · 10-30-2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

The Pomeroy Rankings and the data he collects is good enough for dozens of Division I college coaches, but it doesn't pass muster for the people here I guess.

Couldn't have said it better. Give it a few weeks into the season, and if ISU does well and moves up the rankings, it'll be back to being a great poll.