Post 1980's. Who was Iowa State's worst coach, and who was/is our best?

[marothisu]

No school would touch Morgan after we canned him. The entire basketball world knew he couldn't coach and didn't want him. That begins and ends the argument about who is a better coach.

While here both lost and did their part to drive our program in to the ground. Only one is coaching a Top 20 team for the second year. The other went many a year before finally getting an asst coach gig somewhere.

Pardon me while I'm put some ice on my head from the face palm I just did over someone calling the NIT "post season".

Sorry, but it has absolutely nothing to do with his coaching. Do you not remember why we fired him? There was a "scandal" which was utterly bs by the way. Do you realize why no schools will touch a coach after they have gotten in trouble with the NCAA except a few (Calipari)? Because they don't want to have to deal sanctions and the baggage of having a coach who will possibly put them out of contention with their corruption.

Kelvin Sampson was 279-109 with Oklahoma (128-60 in conference) and made the NCAA tournament every single year but one (and they still went to the NIT) including the Final Four, an Elite 8, and a Sweet 16. Then he went to Indiana where he went 43-15 (21-8 in conference) and made the NCAA tournament his first season and went 25-7 the next year, and made it, but then a scandal happened. It was vacated.

NO COLLEGE will touch him. He's 496-271 in college basketball. He's taken teams to the NCAA Tournament 14 times (and NIT twice more). No team will touch him, which is why he's an assistant in the NBA now.

Don't give me this utter ******** that nobody will touch Morgan because of his coaching. It has to do with the "scandal" that happened and no colleges wanting any part in that, just like they do for ANY coach even if they're an awesome coach. You can be the best coach ever, but once a scandal breaks about you, nobody is going to want you (unless you're one of a select EXTREMELY lucky people like Callipari).

Wayne Morgan wasn't an amazing coach, but he wasn't bad either. You'd have to be a fool to think that a mid major wouldn't take a coach who took a Big 12 team to the NIT Semifinals and then the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament. Nobody would take him because of the scandal that lasted a few days.

[carvers4math]

After reading it in the Rag, I'm pretty annoyed McDoormat makes more than CFH.

[akclone]

The fact that McDermott recruited FOUR NBA players in his first two classes and couldn't win more than 6 Big XII games in a season is just mind numbing. He should of done more with the talent he had. At least Morgan made to the tournament, McDermott didn't even sniff it.

Excellent post. My feelings exactly.

[Knownothing]

Morgan went to post season two out of 3 years. Mcdermott watched the tourny and basically sucked the whole time. Not even close

[marothisu]

The fact that McDermott recruited FOUR NBA players in his first two classes and couldn't win more than 6 Big XII games in a season is just mind numbing. He should of done more with the talent he had. At least Morgan made to the tournament, McDermott didn't even sniff it.

Exactly. I love how people think that Morgan had more talent. He didn't. McDermott had more.

Jackson Vroman and Will Blalock are really the only guys to play for Morgan that got drafted or played in the NBA at any time.

Mcdermott?
* Wes Johnson (4th Overall)
* Craig Brackins (21st Overall)
* Justin Hamilton (45th Overall)
* Mike Taylor (55th Overall)
* Diante Garrett (Undrafted, currently on Phoenix Suns)

That's 5 players McDermott had that have played in the NBA or were drafted. In fact, we had a lottery pick, first rounder, and current PG for the Suns on our team all at one time and he STILL couldn't produce a winning season. What does that tell you? He was a terrible coach, and frankly as far as I'm concerned, he still is not a great coach. At least he's in a conference where he can actually win conference games.

[BigBake]

Exactly. I love how people think that Morgan had more talent. He didn't. McDermott had more.

Jackson Vroman and Will Blalock are really the only guys to play for Morgan that got drafted or played in the NBA at any time.

Mcdermott?
* Wes Johnson (4th Overall)
* Craig Brackins (21st Overall)
* Justin Hamilton (45th Overall)
* Mike Taylor (55th Overall)
* Diante Garrett (Undrafted, currently on Phoenix Suns)

That's 5 players McDermott had that have played in the NBA or were drafted. In fact, we had a lottery pick, first rounder, and current PG for the Suns on our team all at one time and he STILL couldn't produce a winning season. What does that tell you? He was a terrible coach, and frankly as far as I'm concerned, he still is not a great coach. At least he's in a conference where he can actually win conference games.

Funny...Johnson was a FR for one season and injured the next.

[BigBake]

Exactly. I love how people think that Morgan had more talent. He didn't. McDermott had more.

Jackson Vroman and Will Blalock are really the only guys to play for Morgan that got drafted or played in the NBA at any time.

Mcdermott?
* Wes Johnson (4th Overall)
* Craig Brackins (21st Overall)
* Justin Hamilton (45th Overall)
* Mike Taylor (55th Overall)
* Diante Garrett (Undrafted, currently on Phoenix Suns)

That's 5 players McDermott had that have played in the NBA or were drafted. In fact, we had a lottery pick, first rounder, and current PG for the Suns on our team all at one time and he STILL couldn't produce a winning season. What does that tell you? He was a terrible coach, and frankly as far as I'm concerned, he still is not a great coach. At least he's in a conference where he can actually win conference games.

Taylor played for one year before getting kicked off for being an idiot. Then was stuck in the minors and finally D league.

Brackins was the only legit player to play fully for ***** and make the NBA.

Additionally Mac never had all that talent together at one time.

But hey bend the history book anyway you want if it floats your boat.

"He was selling satellites after ISU" the only arguement you need.

[BigBake]

Stinson was probably the best guard ISU had behind Jamaal Tinsely from 2000 - 2010. He easily would have been a lottery pick the following year if he had stayed.

[Iastfan112]

I just don't see the argument for Morgan being worse than McDermott. Morgan had winning season all 3 years here(coming off a pretty lackluster end of Eustachy years) including a NCAA berth and win. McDermott had none of the above. If we're talking about coaching the talent he had, that argument can be made. Recruiting and getting the players to like and play for you are part of the job as well as X and O's and improving the players you have.

[marothisu]

But hey bend the history book anyway you want if it floats your boat.

You don't even know your own team, nor do you know how to read. I said:

In fact, we had a lottery pick, first rounder, and current PG for the Suns on our team all at one time and he STILL couldn't produce a winning season.

Did I say they were ALL on the same team at the same time? NO. I said a lottery pick (Wes Johnson), a first rounder (Brackins), and a current Suns player (Garrett) were all on the same team at the same time. 2007-2008. Refer below. I even put sources on there, but I'm sure you'll think I hacked the site and put my own info there now right?



2006-2007: Wes Johnson and Mike Taylor on the same team

Basketball (M) - Roster - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - The home of Iowa State Cyclone Sports

2007-2008: Wes Johnson, Diante Garrett, and Craig Brackins on the same team

Basketball (M) - Roster - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - The home of Iowa State Cyclone Sports

2008-2009: Diante Garrett, Craig Brackins, and Justin Hamilton on the same team

Basketball (M) - Roster - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - The home of Iowa State Cyclone Sports

2009-2010: Diante Garrett, Craig Brackins, and Justin Hamilton on the same team

Basketball (M) - Roster - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - The home of Iowa State Cyclone Sports

"He was selling satellites after ISU" the only arguement you need.

Refer to what I said on the about that. If you think it has to do with your coaching, then you know nothing about basketball. It has to do with the "scandal." Show me how many coaches, no matter how good they are, get hired back by another team after a scandal/sanctions on their program. I think of Calipari. Anyone else?


I guess you completely missed what I said because you have no rebuttal for it whatsoever. Your "argument" has no points whatsoever about it. No coach, even Jim Tressel in Football, Kelvin Sampson, etc no matter how successful they are are hired by college again with the except of Calipari. Learn **** about college sports bud, because it's obvious you don't know much about how it works.

You'd have to be a complete dolt to think that no team, not even a MEAC team would want Morgan after 3 straight winning seasons in the BIG 12 and an NIT semifinals and 2nd round of the NCAA tournament. You can say whatever you want about that, but you're completely illogical. Learn some **** about college sports before posting on here.

Nobody wanted him after because of the "scandal." Coaches aren't hired after scandal no matter how amazing they are and it happens all the time. By your same logic, Kelvin Sampson and Jim Tressel are horrible coaches too because nobody wanted them after they got canned.

[BigBake]

You don't even know your own team, nor do you know how to read. I said:

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Do you even know your team? DG and Wes were only together the year Wes was injured with a bad foot. Add to that DG and Brackins were freshmen who had NO NBA talent at the time. No way you can even say either of them were ready for the NBA.

[BigBake]

Sorry, but it has absolutely nothing to do with his coaching. Do you not remember why we fired him? There was a "scandal" which was utterly bs by the way. Do you realize why no schools will touch a coach after they have gotten in trouble with the NCAA except a few (Calipari)? Because they don't want to have to deal sanctions and the baggage of having a coach who will possibly put them out of contention with their corruption.

Again? Wow Both Cal and Sampson were both investigated and had sanctions placed on them by the NCAA. Nothing was ever proven against Wayne nor did the NCAA do anything other than read a press clipping about the so called scandal and move on. Apples and oranges...but again nice try at bending things to fit your view.

[BigBake]

Morgan went to post season two out of 3 years. Mcdermott watched the tourny and basically sucked the whole time. Not even close

Sorry....NIT is NOT considered post season. Heck there isn't really even a specific criteria to make the tournament. Hence why you don't brag about going to the NIT. Going to the NIT means you had a failure of a season.

National Invitation Tournament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[BigBake]

And finally....

- Fired from Long Beach State
- Hired at ISU only after everyone else told us no and he was the last option.
- Fired by ISU for lackluser results.
- Selling satelittes door to door

Heck, Todd Lickliter got another job before Wayne.

How about this...the day after Wayne gets a team in the NCAA as their head coach I'll retract my statements and say he's a good coach. Until then....

Asking who was worse between these two is like trying determine if the poop from a golden retriever stinks more than the poop from a border collie.

[marothisu]

Do you even know your team? DG and Wes were only together the year Wes was injured with a bad foot. Add to that DG and Brackins were freshmen who had NO NBA talent at the time. No way you can even say either of them were ready for the NBA.

Wrong yet again. Wes Johnson played in 27 of 32 games (starting 25 of them) in 2007-2008 playing 27 minutes per game, which was 5 minutes more per game than DG. Brackins played 0.7 minutes per game more than Johnson. Garrett and Brackins played in all 32 games. Johnson was still tied for the leading scorer with Hubalek at 12.4 points/game.

They all played together for all but 5 games.

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