ISU outrebounds Cincinnati and UNLV

**mitten1975** · 11-26-2012, 04:30 PM

Rebounds were a concern for me at the first of the year. I think this team has proven it can rebound. I am wondering if they are a team that will be consistent in playing a fast paced game. They allowed 80 pts to these two teams and were only able to muster 70 in each game. I don't really see that we have pt. guards talented enough to go that fast pace. I am wondering whether we ought to slow it down and concentrate on the defense holding down opposing good team's point total. We can always run off turnovers. This is completely hypothetical in order to change the focus on particular players to what the team is capable of. I don't have any bones to pick.

**ajk4st8** · 11-26-2012, 04:31 PM

I feel a lot better knowing that it is just the offense that needs to come around for this team to be quite successful. Rebounding and defensive intensity has been pretty good from everyone.

**acgclone** · 11-26-2012, 04:35 PM

Really the only concern for me is that we look lost at times on offense. That isn't too dissimilar to last year, IMO. We are still figuring things out, and I feel like last weekend will help us "make it click" on O.

**mitten1975** · 11-26-2012, 04:37 PM

Still, those teams scored 80 between them. I am not sure we can expect to score more than 80 on a good team that plays decent defense. Therefore the point would be to hold them to a lower score. I think we still have a ways to go on defense, and we need to do something to frustrate opposing teams offense.

**Cyclonetrombone** · 11-26-2012, 04:50 PM

Well we had Cinci beat... what was it like 57% from the charity stripe? We lost by 12 and we missed like 18 or 19 ft didn't we? UNLV was just ridiculous as far as FT distribution... did we seriously play that aggressively to give them 36 ft and us to only get 9?

FT has been a problem for ISU for as long back as I can remember... FT for basketball and XP for football... two parts of the game that should be the easiest parts. I can understand Tyrus missing a few, he looked gassed when he got to the line a few times. But we were bad at fts all game long.

**mitten1975** · 11-26-2012, 05:02 PM

These games were very close. UNLV must have had a tremendous home court advantage or we decided it was impossible to score inside if your name wasn't Clyburn. I wish I could have seen that game.

**DistrictCyclone** · 11-26-2012, 05:06 PM

Why were you ever concerned about rebounds this year? We've been in the top 5 nationally for rebounds all season long...

**CLONECONES** · 11-26-2012, 05:13 PM

ISU is #2 in NCAAB for rebounds a game

**mitten1975** · 11-26-2012, 05:24 PM

I think it was because we only out-rebounded Campbell by 2. Also we weren't that great against Minnesota State on the glass. I think after that game or the Campbell game, Hoiberg was concerned with rebounds, and we never really replaced White with anyone that was a great rebounder. Since then, Clyburn has shown to be a great offensive rebounder. I felt both Booker and Gibson needed to be better rebounders. I also thought they needed to be better on interior defense.

I still think our defense has problems. I have noticed that teams that think defense, often play better offense because they are less worried about the offensive end and let the offense materialize from the defense. I am just noting that 80 pts is too many to give up to beat many good teams.

**Cyclonepride** · 11-26-2012, 05:31 PM

I agree that defense and rebounding are good, but defensively, they could be even better by stopping the dribble in transition (and that would be aided by not turning it over and allowing the other team to get out and run).

I wonder if Fred doesn't just let them freewheel a bit early in the season to show where they are naturally strong or weak, and then teach around the weaknesses and gameplan around the strengths?

**bos** · 11-26-2012, 05:43 PM

We would probably have more rebounds if we let our offense get into position before chucking the ball up for a brick.

**St810s** · 11-26-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by CLONECONES

ISU is #2 in NCAAB for rebounds a game

What's funny is Cincinnati is #1 in rebounds/game. And we outrebounded them in our game vs them.

**Clones21** · 11-26-2012, 05:50 PM

If we rebound well in the Big 12 we will be sitting well.

**mitten1975** · 11-26-2012, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by St810s

What's funny is Cincinnati is #1 in rebounds/game. And we outrebounded them in our game vs them.

I think we are capable of being very strong inside. Not only that, we have shooters that can put the ball in if they are open. I don't think this needs to be a fast break team, except when they have an opportunity like on a turnover. I think we need to concentrate on stopping the other team especially in transition. I agree with the comment that Hoiberg is watching to see where the strengths and weaknesses are so that he can set up the strategy around that. Those were two great teams to play to see where those strengths and weaknesses are. What is good about a Hoiberg team, he charges every player with the task of rebounding. I think that is why we rebound so well. That Cincinnati team was really big. We out-hustled them, but I think they did better in transition than we did.

**Cyclonic1** · 11-26-2012, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

I feel a lot better knowing that it is just the offense that needs to come around for this team to be quite successful. Rebounding and defensive intensity has been pretty good from everyone.

This week ought to be very interesting in practice as we had enough offensive flaws exposed to give Fred and crew
plenty to work on. IMO how we play against BYU will tell a lot about the character of this team.