Iowa is going to be tough for the next few years

[M3MEPLEASE]

I don't know.

If you want to talk about what ifs and that Hawkeyes team we can compare you to a MVC team and debate if you'd beat either Drake or UNI in (doubt it) and how much Creighton would smoke you by. (Wichita St handled you of course.)

If you want to be compared to teams in your conference see my post above. Lets hear why you'll contend in conference play and what about tonights game reinforces that? Feel free to list Big Ten teams you are better than. You can use the 9 point win over an ISU team who was clearly a class below UNLV and Cincinatti in their early neutral court contests as evidence.

Purdue- Smacked the Clemson team who housed you (again) around. On the road.
NW- Just beat the team that ended UK's win streak in their barn.
Illini-Very good start despite people being down on them
MSU-Same team as always hawkeyes don't deserve to be mentioned as competition to them.
Michigan/OSU/Indy- nothing to say
Minny-tons of talent managed to put a good FSU team in their place
Wiscy- they would not lose to Iowa they just played real teams early on unlike Iowa who couldn't beat a Wichita St team with all new faces


Don't worry Rutgers is coming soon you'll have a conference team to look down on...

[brett108]

Should, but looking at tonight, won't. Look who we lose after this year.... Now look who they lose. If you had to bet, would you honestly take us straight up over them next year at home? I certainly wouldn't! If they happen to find someone who could make an open 3, it will be even uglier. And rumor has it Jok is looking like his old self again, and his outside shot supposedly looks fantastic! Add in that transfer kid from Wisconsin who also is supposed to be able to knock down the 3, and it just seems like they are going to be a very solid team for the next 3 years at a minimum!

Why? There is a reason why Morris and Jones are coming in next year, and its to fix a glaring hole at the 1. They can both be better than Gessel right out of the gate. Thats the brilliance of BB. Thomas will be the best shooter on the court next year, no questions asked. And the two best scorers in the low block tonight were Gibson and Niang. Both will be around next year. ISU could win by 20.

[Clark]

Why? There is a reason why Morris and Jones are coming in next year, and its to fix a glaring hole at the 1. They can both be better than Gessel right out of the gate. Thats the brilliance of BB. Thomas will be the best shooter on the court next year, no questions asked. And the two best scorers in the low block tonight were Gibson and Niang. Both will be around next year. ISU could win by 20.

20 you say. alrighty then.

[JonDMiller]

At best, Iowa is an NCAA bubble team. But I think they are headed back to the NIT. They just cant shoot from the outside good enough to be consistent in a loaded Big Ten. At best they are likely 7th in the Big Ten. But they are playing a much more palatable brand of basketball than Iowa has seen the last six years, so I'll take the progress.

The refs were too ticky tacky early in this game. ISU picked up some cheap fouls IMO.

That said, I was at a loss for what ISU was trying to do offensively...it was either chuck threes or isolation plays.

[brett108]

20 you say. alrighty then.

You fix the PG problem, shoot better, and already are getting better low block play from young players, and you think this would be impossible? Stop being a fan if that is your mindset. God, where did all these" the basketball team should be dropped" posters come from?

[Go2Guy]

Why? There is a reason why Morris and Jones are coming in next year, and its to fix a glaring hole at the 1. They can both be better than Gessel right out of the gate..

Morris >> Gessel ?#?@? I hope you're right, because our PG for the last two years has been frustrating. But that starting 5 for Iowa all returns to Hilton next year and our veteran team got out played by a team with 3 frosh.

[brett108]

At best, Iowa is an NCAA bubble team. But I think they are headed back to the NIT. They just cant shoot from the outside good enough to be consistent in a loaded Big Ten. At best they are likely 7th in the Big Ten. But they are playing a much more palatable brand of basketball than Iowa has seen the last six years, so I'll take the progress.

The refs were too ticky tacky early in this game. ISU picked up some cheap fouls IMO.

That said, I was at a loss for what ISU was trying to do offensively...it was either chuck threes or isolation plays.

Korie Luscious is not the transfer we hoped he was. In Hoibergs 3 years we have had good play from the 1 once. And there was no one else on that team. When is Custer going to get here?

[Wesley]

Fred was outcoached tonight. But when Clyburn shows up, holds his dick for 40 minutes, pretty hard to do much. Gotta get this fouling thing fixed too, cant have Booker and Melvin on the bench all the time.

He just looked so passive tonight. He needs to change that approach in rugged games. B12 will play this rough.

[ripvdub]

Didn't fran just basically steal tom Davis' playbook? That's what it looked, like to me.

[brett108]

Morris >> Gessel ?#?@? I hope you're right, because our PG for the last two years has been frustrating. But that starting 5 for Iowa all returns to Hilton next year and our veteran team got out played by a team with 3 frosh.

You may have noticed, but maybe not, that Clemmons, unheralded as he is, outplayed Gessel tonight right? Gessel and Woodbury were not the reason Iowa won. White and Clemmons were.

[Clark]

You fix the PG problem, shoot better, and already are getting better low block play from young players, and you think this would be impossible? Stop being a fan if that is your mindset. God, where did all these" the basketball team should be dropped" posters come from?

Dude, I'm a fan of the team you apparantly think won't get any better next year while ISU improves at every position. I was mocking the ridiculousness of your post.

[Clark]

Didn't fran just basically steal tom Davis' playbook? That's what it looked, like to me.

less substitutions but yeah looked similar in play style. Dr. Tom seemed like he was a hockey coach ordering line changes with the way he substituted.

[acgclone]

At best, Iowa is an NCAA bubble team. But I think they are headed back to the NIT. They just cant shoot from the outside good enough to be consistent in a loaded Big Ten. At best they are likely 7th in the Big Ten. But they are playing a much more palatable brand of basketball than Iowa has seen the last six years, so I'll take the progress.

The refs were too ticky tacky early in this game. ISU picked up some cheap fouls IMO.

That said, I was at a loss for what ISU was trying to do offensively...it was either chuck threes or isolation plays.

That's kind of our offense because of PG issues. It will work fine in Hilton more times than not but on the road you can't win that way.

It was pretty much our offense last year to start year, until we figured out that our best PG was a 6'8" 270lbs NBA draft pick.

I don't see anyone on our roster that can do that however.

Our saving grace might be the fact that the B12 is probably no better than the MVC this year.

[Bobby45]

Fred was outcoached tonight. But when Clyburn shows up, holds his dick for 40 minutes, pretty hard to do much. Gotta get this fouling thing fixed too, cant have Booker and Melvin on the bench all the time.

Are you saying that when clyburn holds his dick this team sucks?

Well I agree this team SUCKED TONIGHT..................

[taekwonthis]

But I thought Iowa had too many goofy looking white guys? How can they be good?

Last year the coaches from Ohio were asking themselves 'how in the heck Aaron White' make it out of the state. Last year wasn't a fluke. Aaron is a great goofy looking white BB player.

And I do remember Iowa State living off the three ball last year from a certian goofy looking white guy.....what was his name? Christiansen or something like that. He was as goofy looking as Gessell.