Official Meltdown thread

**Doc** · 01-23-2013, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by bosco

I think as punishment the team should be forced to stay another day in Lubbock.

Maybe the team got to Lubbock and realized they were already winners at life for not having to live in Lubbock.

**tm3308** · 01-23-2013, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by hoiball

Hold on now! I agree this was a horrible game but I don't think the Kansas game was a fluke at all. How is it a fluke if their best player has to go play his best game of his career and then bank in a three to bring it to overtime. Don't forget that it was at Kansas. But honestly we lost this game because a collection of things were horrible (enthusiasm, refs and shooting). But we all have to remember that we can't do anything about this game now and that it's best for the team and the fans to keep our heads up and to not hide in the corner and keep crying like babies because we lost to Texas Tech. If we do keep dwelling about this game all you doubters will be right because we'll get destroyed be KSU.

Fans can do whatever they want. Whether or not they choose to wallow in this will have no effect on the team's performance against KSU.

The Kansas game could very well have been a fluke. Apparently ISU hasn't played well since that game, and weren't there a number of poor performances in the OOC schedule, even though ISU did win those games? It really sounds like they don't play as a team very often, although they did against KU.

It sounds like this team simply isn't gelling like last year's did; that's the risk you take with so many transfers. Sometimes it works out just fine (last year), sometimes it doesn't (seems like this year). But there's nobody to truly rally around like Royce last year, and nobody like Scotty -- who, besides being an excellent 3-point shooter, I think served as the glue guy who helped keep everything together last year.

**stateofmind** · 01-23-2013, 10:53 PM

I bet Duke, Creighton, Butler, Minnesota and many other fans are saying the same things.

**Wesley** · 01-23-2013, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Clonefan32

I'm most upset with Babb. Never thought I'd have to question his competitiveness or desire to win. Overall, just an embarrassment. Personally, I'm getting sick of this transfer experiment, sans Royce last year. Lucious, Clyburn, Booker, and now Babb all look disinterested. Give me some new blood who is willing to work for a chance.

I also thought Babb and Tyrus would play better in Texas. They did not. Looks like we miss RW after all. No leader. Just a balanced team.

**CycloneErik** · 01-23-2013, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by stateofmind

I bet Duke, Creighton, Butler, Minnesota and many other fans are saying the same things.

Except with good wins to back them up. They can consider this a bump in the road. This is the biggest thing on our resume right now.

**alarson** · 01-23-2013, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Except with good wins to back them up. They can consider this a bump in the road. This is the biggest thing on our resume right now.

Very much this. When all you have on your resume is a bad loss and several other games that indicate that you have this kind of performance in you (even if you won due to those teams being exceptionally bad), its not a great place to be at all.

**hoiball** · 01-23-2013, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by tm3308

Fans can do whatever they want. Whether or not they choose to wallow in this will have no effect on the team's performance against KSU.

The Kansas game could very well have been a fluke. Apparently ISU hasn't played well since that game, and weren't there a number of poor performances in the OOC schedule, even though ISU did win those games? It really sounds like they don't play as a team very often, although they did against KU.

It sounds like this team simply isn't gelling like last year's did; that's the risk you take with so many transfers. Sometimes it works out just fine (last year), sometimes it doesn't (seems like this year). But there's nobody to truly rally around like Royce last year, and nobody like Scotty -- who, besides being an excellent 3-point shooter, I think served as the glue guy who helped keep everything together last year.

You see the key thing you keep saying is it sounds like or apparently. If you watched the games (since you obviously don't) you would have seen the flashes of how good this team can be (certain points in the Texas game and the 18 point lead against wvu). Also how do the fans not have an effect on how the players play. If instead of coming into the game amped or ready to cheer their *** off. They decide to stay home or do something else or maybe they just decide to blend in with the chairs (Cough Cough Hawk fans at Carver). Hey maybe we should try what TT did tonight let only a couple hundred people in and sing a couple of lullabies to KSU and hope we can beat them while their asleep!

**Wesley** · 01-23-2013, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by hoiball

You see the key thing you keep saying is it sounds like or apparently. If you watched the games (since you obviously don't) you would have seen the flashes of how good this team can be (certain points in the Texas game and the 18 point lead against wvu). Also how do the fans not have an effect on how the players play. If instead of coming into the game amped or ready to cheer their *** off. They decide to stay home or do something else or maybe they just decide to blend in with the chairs (Cough Cough Hawk fans at Carver). Hey maybe we should try what TT did tonight let only a couple hundred people in and sing a couple of lullabies to KSU and hope we can beat them while their asleep!

When we play smart, we look really good. When we play dumb, we are below average. Where did our great passing go?

**hoiball** · 01-23-2013, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

When we play smart, we look really good. When we play dumb, we are below average. Where did our great passing go?

I've been asking myself the same question. All we can do now is pull ourselves back together. Belief in Fred and prove how good we can be.

**cyatheart** · 01-23-2013, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Except with good wins to back them up. They can consider this a bump in the road. This is the biggest thing on our resume right now.

Yeah, this takes away the "no great wins, no bad losses...11-7 B12 record" theory out the window. I am not freaking out, bad things happen on the road sometimes. But this was a a really bad team, a Tech team that may not win more than one other game the rest of the year. Now I think you need to win out at home, sweep OU, and beat WVU on the road and beat Texas on the road. And then to seal it get to the B12 semifinal.

This is not the end of the year, but it definetly causes problems. Poor effort all around.

**Rabbuk** · 01-23-2013, 11:16 PM

We were pretty consistently throwing up the first semi-open look like less than 10 seconds into the shotclock.

**Goothrey** · 01-23-2013, 11:19 PM

So we aren't very good. What's new?

**Wesley** · 01-23-2013, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Goothrey

So we aren't very good. What's new?

We did beat #330 rated UNO.

**tm3308** · 01-23-2013, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by hoiball

You see the key thing you keep saying is it sounds like or apparently. If you watched the games (since you obviously don't) you would have seen the flashes of how good this team can be (certain points in the Texas game and the 18 point lead against wvu). Also how do the fans not have an effect on how the players play. If instead of coming into the game amped or ready to cheer their *** off. They decide to stay home or do something else or maybe they just decide to blend in with the chairs (Cough Cough Hawk fans at Carver). Hey maybe we should try what TT did tonight let only a couple hundred people in and sing a couple of lullabies to KSU and hope we can beat them while their asleep!

The players have talent. But from everything that's been said here, they have struggled to play as a team. That leads to poor performances (and there's been a number of those for ISU this year, even in winning efforts), and you see it at every single level.

2004 Olympic team had more talent than any other team in the world. They had lousy chemistry and took the bronze (appalling by American standards).

2012-13 Lakers. Nuff said.

You can see it with Iowa, too. At times, their ball movement is great and they have consistent success when they keep that up. But then they get to dribbling around a lot, with Marble playing too much isolation. And that's when the Hawks go into one of their scoring droughts. It's like clockwork.

As for the fans; the team's got to give them SOMETHING. I'd support the Hawkeyes through thick and thin, but expecting your fans to be amped after putting out an effort like this isn't fair to the fans.

It's one thing to lose valiantly. It's completely different to look disinterested. And I don't think I need to have seen the game to know that's how they looked tonight. That's pretty much the only way a team with as much individual talent as ISU has can lose to a team this bad.

**Wesley** · 01-23-2013, 11:32 PM

One Tech player hiot his first three siunce Dec.

Gray had a high in scoring

We lost the ball so many times that it was laughable.

We forced so many shots, we looked like our first day on the shooting range.

We cannot even blame the refs for bad calls.

We made their 2657 fans happy.