The positives (if any) to the lost

**isuchicago** · 01-24-2013, 12:21 AM

The people that honestly believe the season is over because of this game..that NCAA tournament hopes are gone and lets all hope for the NIT.. you deserve to feel the way you do right now. Unless you have a disease that prevents you remembering more than the last few months, I really do not understand how people, year after year, do this crap..in every good season we've had, there's been many times where our "season was basically over". Not just us..most teams.

People act like this is some huge epic loss..this isn't even the biggest upset of the last 2 days. That would be Louisville getting beat handily by Villanova. And I'm sure they have fans freaking out.."no way this team is final four caliber",etc..human nature I guess. I just don't have any sympathy for anyone that thinks the season is over and feels like crap.

**Wesley** · 01-24-2013, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by isuchicago

The people that honestly believe the season is over because of this game..that NCAA tournament hopes are gone and lets all hope for the NIT.. you deserve to feel the way you do right now. Unless you have a disease that prevents you remembering more than the last few months, I really do not understand how people, year after year, do this crap..in every good season we've had, there's been many times where our "season was basically over". Not just us..most teams.

People act like this is some huge epic loss..this isn't even the biggest upset of the last 2 days. That would be Louisville getting beat handily by Villanova. And I'm sure they have fans freaking out.."no way this team is final four caliber",etc..human nature I guess. I just don't have any sympathy for anyone that thinks the season is over and feels like crap.

Actually a #35 team losing to a #225 team is worse than a #9 team losing to a #64 team.

**NorthIACy** · 01-24-2013, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by isuchicago

The people that honestly believe the season is over because of this game..that NCAA tournament hopes are gone and lets all hope for the NIT.. you deserve to feel the way you do right now. Unless you have a disease that prevents you remembering more than the last few months, I really do not understand how people, year after year, do this crap..in every good season we've had, there's been many times where our "season was basically over". Not just us..most teams.

People act like this is some huge epic loss..this isn't even the biggest upset of the last 2 days. That would be Louisville getting beat handily by Villanova. And I'm sure they have fans freaking out.."no way this team is final four caliber",etc..human nature I guess. I just don't have any sympathy for anyone that thinks the season is over and feels like crap.

This is ABSOLUTELY a worse loss than Louisville and Villanova.

Louisville's RPI is 12
Villanova's RPI (after win) is 59.

Iowa State's is 40
Texas Tech's is 229...AFTER BEATING US.

225 = Sam Houston St.
226 = Ball St.
227 = CSU Northridge
228 = Lipscomb
230 = TCU
just to gauge the type of teams around that RPI

idk about you but I think I know which is a worse loss. While it may not get much attention as being a bad loss on sportcenter or anything, THIS IS A HORRIBLE LOSS. Not to mention we still don't have any outstanding wins, I would say we should be worried about the tournament, ESPECIALLY if we continue this type of play.

**Clonebydesign** · 01-24-2013, 12:56 AM

I like that it ended

**cyclones500** · 01-24-2013, 01:05 AM

Here's another positive: The number of "opportunities" for another loss that bad, this season, are now reduced by one.

**isuchicago** · 01-24-2013, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley

Actually a #35 team losing to a #225 team is worse than a #9 team losing to a #64 team.

Louisville was favored by 11.5 points. We were favored by slightly less than that. That was a bad loss for Louisville.

**isuchicago** · 01-24-2013, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by NorthIACy

This is ABSOLUTELY a worse loss than Louisville and Villanova.

Louisville's RPI is 12
Villanova's RPI (after win) is 59.

Iowa State's is 40
Texas Tech's is 229...AFTER BEATING US.

225 = Sam Houston St.
226 = Ball St.
227 = CSU Northridge
228 = Lipscomb
230 = TCU
just to gauge the type of teams around that RPI

idk about you but I think I know which is a worse loss. While it may not get much attention as being a bad loss on sportcenter or anything, THIS IS A HORRIBLE LOSS. Not to mention we still don't have any outstanding wins, I would say we should be worried about the tournament, ESPECIALLY if we continue this type of play.

Bad losses happen all the time. Duke was favored against Miami and lost by 27. That is a horrible loss. Just quit ******** and watch the game. 1 win against kansas wouldn't have made our season, and 1 loss against Texas Tech won't break it. Ridiculous.

**isuchicago** · 01-24-2013, 01:32 AM

Also, top 10 Butler lost to who tonight? La Salle? What teams are around their RPI? Better luck next year Butler

**isuchicago** · 01-24-2013, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash

LaSalle had an RPI in the 40s before the game...apples to oranges

And they were actually favored in that. Bad losses are relative. Losing to a top 25 team doesn't sound bad..but the #1 team losing a team they're supposed to beat by 27, is a very bad loss. This is basketball. Upsets happen all the time. People exaggerate the importance of one loss every single year.

**isuchicago** · 01-24-2013, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash

LaSalle had an RPI in the 40s before the game...apples to oranges

Would drake be a more apples to apples comparison for you? What's their RPI? I'm assuming its not great. And ours isn't as high as Creighton

**gogagig** · 01-24-2013, 02:30 AM

Positive? When we really want to, we can make any team in America feel better about themselves

**cyclones500** · 01-24-2013, 02:33 AM

Picking up on the most recent posts, ISU's loss to Tech was worse than all of those -- UL to Nova, Creighton to Drake, Duke to Miami, Butler to LaSalle.

It isn't strictly a matter of difference in RPI within each matchup, or a singular outlier — it's impact on entire body of work.

Now, if we're talking about "stature," that's a completely different story. Louisville is hovering around 1-seed territory, and just lost to Syracuse at home (not a bad loss) and at Villanova (top-100 RPI). A team hoping for inside track to a Final Four, I suppose that's a "bad week."

Creighton has been in 4/5/6 seed range all season. A loss to a team like Drake (165) might drop it to a 7.

Miami's win over Duke alone ought to not drop Duke out of a 1 seed (margin of victory, though, is worth consideration). Miami's numbers are impressive — ugliest loss is Florida-Gulf Coast, which is still (at this point) top-125.

Iowa State can't afford many losses like this when it comes to tournament invitation. If we're discussing damage to pecking order, it's relative.

**isuchicago** · 01-24-2013, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by cyclones500

Picking up on the most recent posts, ISU's loss to Tech was worse than all of those -- UL to Nova, Creighton to Drake, Duke to Miami, Butler to LaSalle.

It isn't strictly a matter of difference in RPI within each matchup, or a singular outlier — it's impact on entire body of work.

Now, if we're talking about "stature," that's a completely different story. Louisville is hovering around 1-seed territory, and just lost to Syracuse at home (not a bad loss) and at Villanova (top-100 RPI). A team hoping for inside track to a Final Four, I suppose that's a "bad week."

Creighton has been in 4/5/6 seed range all season. A loss to a team like Drake (165) might drop it to a 7.

Miami's win over Duke alone ought to not drop Duke out of a 1 seed (margin of victory, though, is worth consideration). Miami's numbers are impressive — ugliest loss is Florida-Gulf Coast, which is still (at this point) top-125.

Iowa State can't afford many losses like this when it comes to tournament invitation. If we're discussing damage to pecking order, it's relative.

So its more about bad losses by teams not expected to coast into the NCAA tournament. You want a list of terrible losses by teams in that bubble range?? That's a much larger list than the top 10 teams that got beat this week

**gogagig** · 01-24-2013, 02:48 AM

More positives? It made me miss GMac.

OK,never mind. There were no positives.

**SyracuseCyclone** · 01-24-2013, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by NorthIACy

This is ABSOLUTELY a worse loss than Louisville and Villanova.

Louisville's RPI is 12
Villanova's RPI (after win) is 59.

Iowa State's is 40
Texas Tech's is 229...AFTER BEATING US.

225 = Sam Houston St.
226 = Ball St.
227 = CSU Northridge
228 = Lipscomb
230 = TCU
just to gauge the type of teams around that RPI

idk about you but I think I know which is a worse loss. While it may not get much attention as being a bad loss on sportcenter or anything, THIS IS A HORRIBLE LOSS. Not to mention we still don't have any outstanding wins, I would say we should be worried about the tournament, ESPECIALLY if we continue this type of play.

Yo Northridge are ****in nasty this year. Larry Drews little brother is the worst player on the team they've covered everything non conference. They have 3-4 guys way better than Drew that team is awesome. (Fullerton is probably the only Big West squad that is better.)

Fact is its late January and noone can get motivated.

I went to Drake Crieghton last night.

First half Creighton looked like trash but McDermott dropped 17 first half even though his team was down 16 at half. Second half his team ties it up in 8 minutes and erases the deficit but Doug Mc only scores 4 points the second half b/c he let his teammates start playing (and they played well just didn't put the knife to the throat once they took the lead.) Doug Mc did nothing second half it was weird but his team played well so whatever. Its just the nature of the game, the best player on the floor ended up being irrelevant because his teammates erased a 16 point lead in 8 minutes without him.

Syracuse-Lousiville game this weekend (two top 5 teams) took a lot of air out of both teams sails. On MLK day at 330 in the afternoon prime let down time SU "should" have lost to Cinci and needed a miracle to come back from a 8 point deficit with 3 minutes left and got it. That night people were hating b/c they were lucky. Well look what happened to Lville. THey can't beat Nova next game.

Its just the nature of competition. This is the part of the season where the bad teams have an inherent advantage.

Now...the one thing that baffles me is why mens basketball teams HAVE TO play down to their competition unlike the women. Womens hoops sucks because the good teams are so professional and blow out inferior opponents by 30-40. WHy can't men kick the **** out of awful teams like women do? The only good womens games are the tournament games in the rounds of 32 and 16 since once you get to the elite 8 or final 4 womens college hoops blows because the good teams take it seriously and just completely destroy their oponents. Men can't do this. Its ****ed up but they can't. I've been watching ball my whole life and I have no clue why this is. Womens hoops is awful to watch because any time good teams play the game is over within 10 minutes since the better team that is fully motivated runs house on their opposition every single time...

I have no clue why these men teams can't beat the **** out of inferior opponents like women teams do. Womens hoops are always blowouts why aren't mens games like that?