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    Re: View from outsider

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    Based on what? Honest question. I agree with the rest but the only reason ISU is an NCAA team is based on hope, as opposed to any results.
    Based on us winning out the rest of the way, duh

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    Re: View from outsider

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    Based on what? Honest question. I agree with the rest but the only reason ISU is an NCAA team is based on hope, as opposed to any results.
    I guess I am basing this on the fact that regardless of rankings/standings/win loss record, I believe ISU is a team capable of being a top 45 team (or whatever the bubble line is). ISU can be very dangerous when shooting well as we saw the first 39 mins @KU.....currently they just have a higher ceiling/lower floor due to their reliance on 3's. Hoiberg just needs to find a way to bring the lower floor up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carvers4math View Post
    I think Niang really needs to look at some of his fouls. That one where he just extended both arms and pushed the guy under the boards in the back was silly, everyone can see fouls like that. Maybe Melvin could give him rebounding advice.
    I think that was frustration pure and simple. There were quite a few times where I was shocked at the way Tech players were keeping ISU from the boards. On one play very early in the game I rewound it because it looked like the player was trying to push his car out of the ditch. He was pushing an ISU player out of bounds under the basket leaned over with both arms on him but he never drew the whistle. It was the strangest "block out" I have ever seen. The key to beating ISU is obviously play very physical and hope the officials swallow their whistles. When they get frustrated this ISU team gets out of their rhythm and can't seem to run their offense or hit their shots. At some point as a team you have to look at how they are calling the game and adapt. It is hard to do that when you try to match the physical play and don't get the same calls. This is especially a problem when you don't have the post depth that your opponent does.

    I'm confident Fred will pull them out of this.
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    Re: View from outsider

    Quote Originally Posted by golfingwags View Post
    I guess I am basing this on the fact that regardless of rankings/standings/win loss record, I believe ISU is a team capable of being a top 45 team (or whatever the bubble line is). ISU can be very dangerous when shooting well as we saw the first 39 mins @KU.....currently they just have a higher ceiling/lower floor due to their reliance on 3's. Hoiberg just needs to find a way to bring the lower floor up.
    So "hope" would be the correct answer. You see a team capable of being a top 45 team but I see a team that has only shown that in about 10% of their games all year. Much like dozens of other teams that will be in the NIT.
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    Re: View from outsider

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    So "hope" would be the correct answer. You see a team capable of being a top 45 team but I see a team that has only shown that in about 10% of their games all year. Much like dozens of other teams that will be in the NIT.
    Based on what? How about every projection has us in or above 50% chance of being in. Its fair to say that based on your assessment you think this team will **** it up and not make it. But its also fair to say what he did, we are still an ncaa team with some work to do. Or put another way we still have to get it done but have a very attainable path to the tourney. Sure some teams in our position on the bubble will fall off into the NIT, some others will move in and others will move into solid position. Not sure your point or beef, he made an objective obsevation of were we are at right now.

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    Re: View from outsider

    They're ******.

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    Re: View from outsider

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    So "hope" would be the correct answer. You see a team capable of being a top 45 team but I see a team that has only shown that in about 10% of their games all year. Much like dozens of other teams that will be in the NIT.
    I want to disagree with you, but we really haven't proven anything yet.
    Still time, but hope doesn't get a tourney bid. Only winning does that.

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    Re: View from outsider

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    So "hope" would be the correct answer. You see a team capable of being a top 45 team but I see a team that has only shown that in about 10% of their games all year. Much like dozens of other teams that will be in the NIT.
    There's just as much "proof" that we'll be in the NIT

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    Re: View from outsider

    Quote Originally Posted by golfingwags View Post
    ISU shoots a lot of 3's, plays a high quality of offensive basketball and outscores your opponents. You are going to be able to play with top level teams if you are shooting well and if you have an off night shooting someone may trip you up (like last night).

    That shouldn't change any expectations going forward. You are still a NCAA tourney team with some things to work on. Lucious needs to be reined in as much as possible, he still shoots too much too quickly. McGee should stay on the bench as he's your instant offense every game when needed...if you put him in the starting lineup you lose a lot of punch off the bench.

    Hoiberg is doing an excellent job building a program for many years to come....stay optimistic.
    Very nice assessment, a much needed change from most of he suicidal posters on here. Who do you cheer for?

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