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**golfingwags** · 01-24-2013, 10:23 AM

ISU shoots a lot of 3's, plays a high quality of offensive basketball and outscores your opponents. You are going to be able to play with top level teams if you are shooting well and if you have an off night shooting someone may trip you up (like last night).

That shouldn't change any expectations going forward. You are still a NCAA tourney team with some things to work on. Lucious needs to be reined in as much as possible, he still shoots too much too quickly. McGee should stay on the bench as he's your instant offense every game when needed...if you put him in the starting lineup you lose a lot of punch off the bench.

Hoiberg is doing an excellent job building a program for many years to come....stay optimistic.

**KFitzy87** · 01-24-2013, 10:24 AM

Thanks for your input

**DistrictCyclone** · 01-24-2013, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by golfingwags

ISU shoots a lot of 3's, plays a high quality of offensive basketball and outscores your opponents.

I agree with you; our basketball playing is offensive. Ba-dum, ching!

Seriously, though, thanks for having a level head about things.

**carvers4math** · 01-24-2013, 10:35 AM

Thanks for the input. You obviously noticed the need for therapy around here.

**CLONECONES** · 01-24-2013, 10:36 AM

but the world is ending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Topshelf** · 01-24-2013, 10:38 AM

I think the fan base also forgets that we play best when our Freshman leader plays well.... Niang.... hard to rely on a freshman but he will begin to play more consistent as the year progresses and that should help as well.

**carvers4math** · 01-24-2013, 10:41 AM

I think Niang really needs to look at some of his fouls. That one where he just extended both arms and pushed the guy under the boards in the back was silly, everyone can see fouls like that. Maybe Melvin could give him rebounding advice.

**golfingwags** · 01-24-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by carvers4math

Thanks for the input. You obviously noticed the need for therapy around here.

Easy when not emotionally connected to the team, :-).

**Wesley** · 01-24-2013, 11:19 AM

Yeah, the ticky tack fouls are killing us from the first half.

**GMan** · 01-24-2013, 11:21 AM

OP is wrong. We are screwed. The team cared about playing well @KU, but they are just faking effort for the rest of the games. This team is hoaxing us worse than Manti Te'o's girlfriend.

**ISUagger** · 01-24-2013, 11:30 AM

Everyone on here should avoid posting after a loss until after cooling down. That's why I didn't get on last night. I was mad. I'm level headed now. Thanks for the input, you said a lot of things I agree with. Hopefully we get back on track now.

**LutherBlue** · 01-24-2013, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by golfingwags

ISU shoots a lot of 3's, plays a high quality of offensive basketball and outscores your opponents. You are going to be able to play with top level teams if you are shooting well and if you have an off night shooting someone may trip you up (like last night).

That shouldn't change any expectations going forward. You are still a NCAA tourney team with some things to work on. Lucious needs to be reined in as much as possible, he still shoots too much too quickly. McGee should stay on the bench as he's your instant offense every game when needed...if you put him in the starting lineup you lose a lot of punch off the bench.

Hoiberg is doing an excellent job building a program for many years to come....stay optimistic.

I used to get upset about the bad/early shots. But I'm not sure we do much better when we "run the offense" (whatever that means with this team) because or gaping hole in the middle really limits our ability to get shots in the half court. No low post threat = no incentive for the defense to sag or double team and you don't get open perimeter looks.

Niang and Mel do what they can down low, but they just don't have the big bodies. Percy and Booker have fallen off the face of the earth. They are not even role players lately, it's like we're trying to steal minutes whenever they are on the floor.

**cdunn** · 01-24-2013, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by golfingwags

ISU shoots a lot of 3's, plays a high quality of offensive basketball and outscores your opponents. You are going to be able to play with top level teams if you are shooting well and if you have an off night shooting someone may trip you up (like last night).

That shouldn't change any expectations going forward. You are still a NCAA tourney team with some things to work on. Lucious needs to be reined in as much as possible, he still shoots too much too quickly. McGee should stay on the bench as he's your instant offense every game when needed...if you put him in the starting lineup you lose a lot of punch off the bench.

Hoiberg is doing an excellent job building a program for many years to come....stay optimistic.

I think this is absolutely right.

**Cydkar** · 01-24-2013, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by golfingwags

ISU shoots a lot of 3's, plays a high quality of offensive basketball and outscores your opponents. You are going to be able to play with top level teams if you are shooting well and if you have an off night shooting someone may trip you up (like last night).

That shouldn't change any expectations going forward. You are still a NCAA tourney team with some things to work on. Lucious needs to be reined in as much as possible, he still shoots too much too quickly. McGee should stay on the bench as he's your instant offense every game when needed...if you put him in the starting lineup you lose a lot of punch off the bench.

Hoiberg is doing an excellent job building a program for many years to come....stay optimistic.

Based on what? Honest question. I agree with the rest but the only reason ISU is an NCAA team is based on hope, as opposed to any results.

**NotJustMagic** · 01-24-2013, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by LutherBlue

I used to get upset about the bad/early shots. But I'm not sure we do much better when we "run the offense" (whatever that means with this team) because or gaping hole in the middle really limits our ability to get shots in the half court. No low post threat = no incentive for the defense to sag or double team and you don't get open perimeter looks.

Niang and Mel do what they can down low, but they just don't have the big bodies. Percy and Booker have fallen off the face of the earth. They are not even role players lately, it's like we're trying to steal minutes whenever they are on the floor.

Thanks to the 3-point shot, the lane is wide open for back door cuts. We have been very good at getting our guys out on the perimeter all season long, spacing the floor, and making the easy passes/shots. Last night our shots just weren't falling like they usually do. Our offense is based around making outside shots, if we aren't hitting, then our inside game quickly deteriorates. We don't have a go to guy like RW last year. Plain and simple. We're not a GREAT championship quality team, night in and night out, but if we get hot late in the season the sky is the limit.

I've been impressed with Booker the past few games, but last night he wasn't very productive. Against TCU, Texas, and WV he had solid role games. He had his head down last night, hopefully the home crowd on saturday will get him going again, along with our shooters