30Likes -
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by candg4ever And how exactly are you supposed to "handle" a situation that you truly believe in? Royce and the NBA were in uncharted territory on this issue, and in the beginning, miles apart. It was something that needed to be taken seriously and addressed in a professional manner on both sides, and that is what eventually took place.
Not once did Royce reduce himself to name-calling or bad mouthing the Rockets franchise. He simply stated his case and the issues he had, and how they differed from the Rockets' point of view, then refused to give in until those issues were dealt with in a manner acceptable to both parties. Sure, he tweeted a lot about his thoughts and the goings on, so what!! So it's okay to post about a dunk, or a home run, or a fantastic TD catch, or some hottie, but serious issues are off limits? C'mon, man!!
I believe that in the future, this case will provide much needed insight into dealing with players with specific, diagnosed psychological disorders that affect their every day lives, and will benefit both the players and the NBA. This at least gives them a starting point.
I applaud most of you here for your support of Royce, and wonder if others can ever try to see both sides to a story, or are simply condemned to being judgmental *****. You can't put yourself in another person's shoes, so don't fool yourself into thinking you can understand in the least what they're going through. Your second paragraph is false. He called the Rockets liars and he called them ignorant.
Your fourth paragraph is ridiculous because you're assuming that people only disagree with you because they can't see both sides of the story.
In my opinion, Royce handled this situation in an intelligent way. He handled it in a way that brought a ton of awareness to mental health without him having to play a lick of basketball. I disagree with the way he handled it because I think he:
1) Lied to NBA teams prior to the draft
2) Signed a contract he didn't agree with
I think he completely used the Houston Rockets, and I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong that he bashed Dr. Fink on Twitter without even going to see the guy. Dr. Fink's a real person too!
If he was going to do these things to get the guaranteed money, then he should've bucked up and played while they worked through his issues. He lost his chance to sit there and bring attention to anxiety with integrity when he did not tell the truth to teams before getting the guaranteed contract.
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
I wonder if Nurse has put in a call to CFH yet to get some pointers on how to deal with Royce?
I hope this turns around for him. He needs to concentrate on playing ball and establish himself as the valuable player he can become. Once he has done that he will be in a much better position to have the NBA address the anxiety issue, imo.
As far as what he did.....some act like he was the only player ever to enter the NBA that had anxiety issues, or mental health issues of some sort, so the NBA had never dealt with it before. That is just ridiculous. The truth is, they had just not dealt with it to the satsifaction of Royce.......an unproven rookie who admittedly lied about certain aspects of his condition in order to get drafted as high as possible. I'm sorry......I can support him as a player......I can't support how he handled himself in this situation. It was childish and unprofessional.
I hope things work out now. We don't know the details of the agreement, so we will just have to see what the next chapter is in this saga.
--Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died. -
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by Bu4ISU Shoot, he joins the team a day after they play the energy That was the Plan. He did not want to drive back to Cold. Looking forward to CFH magic for the next bball season, Georges style. -
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by Doc Your second paragraph is false. He called the Rockets liars and he called them ignorant.
Your fourth paragraph is ridiculous because you're assuming that people only disagree with you because they can't see both sides of the story.
In my opinion, Royce handled this situation in an intelligent way. He handled it in a way that brought a ton of awareness to mental health without him having to play a lick of basketball. I disagree with the way he handled it because I think he:
1) Lied to NBA teams prior to the draft
2) Signed a contract he didn't agree with
I think he completely used the Houston Rockets, and I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong that he bashed Dr. Fink on Twitter without even going to see the guy. Dr. Fink's a real person too!
If he was going to do these things to get the guaranteed money, then he should've bucked up and played while they worked through his issues. He lost his chance to sit there and bring attention to anxiety with integrity when he did not tell the truth to teams before getting the guaranteed contract. You, and Dryburn may be right. None of us knows all of the details.
But if you are wrong, you are really F*ing wrong. He isn't dealing with a 'little anxiety', as some would have us think. From what I understand, the primary issue is a REAL, albeit unnessesary, fear of aiports and flying. Try to understand. You don't say to yourself, "Gee, I think I'll have a panic attack on this flight tonight." It just happens, and when you are in the middle of one, the sensation is damn near indescribable. Not just 'a little stress - get over it'
The whole point is that an NBA franchise can, and should help a player like Royce, IF Royce can in turn help them win. We're not talking about letting him use a ladder so he can dunk - its about helping him travel. If they help him travel and he still can't cut it on the court, then fine, let him go.
Let me put it this way - Should Fred have benched Royce during the Tournament last year because he didn't fly with the team? I can already hear some on this board saying "yah, maybe that would have snapped him out of it, or taught him a lesson." For those who think that, please think again. Nothing could be further from the truth.
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
I'm really glad this got sorted out. That doesn't change the fact that the way he went about it was extremely unfair to the Rockets. He's an amazing talent, and he's a Cyclone. Don't need much more reason than that to hope things work out for him.
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by Bu4ISU Shoot, he joins the team a day after they play the energy The Energy game is at the end of their long road trip they're on right now, so it does make perfect sense for Royce to start after that. 2/11 is the next day the team should be back home in Hidalgo.
-
Looking forward to CFH magic for the next bball season, Georges style. -
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by CNECloneFan You, and Dryburn may be right. None of us knows all of the details.
But if you are wrong, you are really F*ing wrong. He isn't dealing with a 'little anxiety', as some would have us think. From what I understand, the primary issue is a REAL, albeit unnessesary, fear of aiports and flying. Try to understand. You don't say to yourself, "Gee, I think I'll have a panic attack on this flight tonight." It just happens, and when you are in the middle of one, the sensation is damn near indescribable. Not just 'a little stress - get over it'
The whole point is that an NBA franchise can, and should help a player like Royce, IF Royce can in turn help them win. We're not talking about letting him use a ladder so he can dunk - its about helping him travel. If they help him travel and he still can't cut it on the court, then fine, let him go.
Let me put it this way - Should Fred have benched Royce during the Tournament last year because he didn't fly with the team? I can already hear some on this board saying "yah, maybe that would have snapped him out of it, or taught him a lesson." For those who think that, please think again. Nothing could be further from the truth. My post had very little to do about anxiety. It was about Royce doing what he said he'd do. We are all human beings, and many have debilitating mental illnesses, but mental illness is no excuse for somebody to lie or kill or steal.
Royce should've told teams pre-draft or at least pre-contract that HIS "doctor-friends" needed to make the decision on when he could play. He wouldn't have gotten guaranteed money.
Of course Fred shouldn't have benched Royce when he drove to the NCAA tourney. What was wrong with Royce doing that?
Last edited by Doc; 01-27-2013 at 01:49 PM.
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by Doc My post had very little to do about anxiety. It was about Royce doing what he said he'd do. We are all human beings, and many have debilitating mental illnesses, but mental illness is no excuse for somebody to lie or kill or steal.
Royce should've told teams pre-draft or at least pre-contract that HIS "doctor-friends" needed to make the decision on when he could play. He wouldn't have gotten guaranteed money.
Of course Fred shouldn't have benched Royce when he drove to the NCAA tourney. What was wrong with Royce doing that? If you are right, then shame on Royce. If he handled things the way you say, then he did much harm to his own cause and that of others. I guess I just don't buy the "he lied in order to get a big payday" theory. Someone earlier wrote that this is all new territory for the NBA, and he is correct. My own theory is that neither side really knew how to handle the initial situation - ADA policies, procedures, and federal law are all very tricky. At certain times during the process, even saying "good morning" can be construed as being hostile or uncooperative. It really is a drag. Look how easy it is to offend someone or be misunderstood on a message board like this. Now add millions of dollars, lawyers, and national exposure, and the stakes get real high real quick. Maybe Royce is laughing on his way to the bank. If not, he has been through hell.
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by candg4ever And how exactly are you supposed to "handle" a situation that you truly believe in? Royce and the NBA were in uncharted territory on this issue, and in the beginning, miles apart. It was something that needed to be taken seriously and addressed in a professional manner on both sides, and that is what eventually took place.
Not once did Royce reduce himself to name-calling or bad mouthing the Rockets franchise. He simply stated his case and the issues he had, and how they differed from the Rockets' point of view, then refused to give in until those issues were dealt with in a manner acceptable to both parties. Sure, he tweeted a lot about his thoughts and the goings on, so what!! So it's okay to post about a dunk, or a home run, or a fantastic TD catch, or some hottie, but serious issues are off limits? C'mon, man!!
I believe that in the future, this case will provide much needed insight into dealing with players with specific, diagnosed psychological disorders that affect their every day lives, and will benefit both the players and the NBA. This at least gives them a starting point.
I applaud most of you here for your support of Royce, and wonder if others can ever try to see both sides to a story, or are simply condemned to being judgmental *****. You can't put yourself in another person's shoes, so don't fool yourself into thinking you can understand in the least what they're going through. I hope you're joking. Unless you consider a stream of vague, accusatory and outright confusing tweets to the general public a professional method for handling conflict. I don't know if what he did was right or wrong; the posts on this forum confirm that everyone has their own opinion there. I just disagree with how he went about it. And thanks for conveniently leaving out the rest of my initial post where I added that I hope he can move forward and have a good career.
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
Royce handled it horribly, and very publicly trashed the Rockets.
I'm just glad to see progress and people acting like adults.
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by CNECloneFan You, and Dryburn may be right. None of us knows all of the details.
But if you are wrong, you are really F*ing wrong. He isn't dealing with a 'little anxiety', as some would have us think. From what I understand, the primary issue is a REAL, albeit unnessesary, fear of aiports and flying. Try to understand. You don't say to yourself, "Gee, I think I'll have a panic attack on this flight tonight." It just happens, and when you are in the middle of one, the sensation is damn near indescribable. Not just 'a little stress - get over it'
The whole point is that an NBA franchise can, and should help a player like Royce, IF Royce can in turn help them win. We're not talking about letting him use a ladder so he can dunk - its about helping him travel. If they help him travel and he still can't cut it on the court, then fine, let him go.
Let me put it this way - Should Fred have benched Royce during the Tournament last year because he didn't fly with the team? I can already hear some on this board saying "yah, maybe that would have snapped him out of it, or taught him a lesson." For those who think that, please think again. Nothing could be further from the truth. Royce went to CFH to request permission to drive to the NCAA Tourney games because they were close enough to Iowa, he had someone who would drive with him, and the time was available to do it. That would not always have been the case during the regular season. The Rockets supposedly provided him with a bus so he could go to the nearby games that way.
According to the GM of the Rockets, Royce told the Rockets that flying was not really a problem when they were considering drafting him. Then afterwards, it apparently did become more of an issue. Why would the GM lie about that? What would he have to gain? Royce had flown in college, except for some close games. Also, Royce signed a contract knowing what the situation was with the CBA and the NBA. If the terms were not acceptable, then he should not have signed until those terms were worked out. You don't go on a series of childish, un-professional rants on social media criticizing the very people that were willing to give you a chance despite your situation and give you a job. Sorry, but that is just dumb.
Do you honestly believe that the Rockets are going to take a chance drafting a player, and spend a couple million dollars on him, and then not be concerned with his physical or mental health? Yes, pro franchises make lots of money, but they are still not going to just **** it away.
We will see how this works out. Like I said, we don't know all of the details of the agreement, and we probably never will. I wish it would be different, but my guess would be that there will be more problems down the road.
--Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died. -
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by CNECloneFan If you are right, then shame on Royce. If he handled things the way you say, then he did much harm to his own cause and that of others. I guess I just don't buy the "he lied in order to get a big payday" theory. Someone earlier wrote that this is all new territory for the NBA, and he is correct. My own theory is that neither side really knew how to handle the initial situation - ADA policies, procedures, and federal law are all very tricky. At certain times during the process, even saying "good morning" can be construed as being hostile or uncooperative. It really is a drag. Look how easy it is to offend someone or be misunderstood on a message board like this. Now add millions of dollars, lawyers, and national exposure, and the stakes get real high real quick. Maybe Royce is laughing on his way to the bank. If not, he has been through hell.
So is that what this was about...........a cause? If so, then he used the Rockets. No two ways around it. And that is the worse kind of all the kind of BS there is. As for going throug hell............he never even opened the door, and has no idea what hell is!
-
Re: Royce Reinstated!
 Originally Posted by CYEATHAWK So is that what this was about...........a cause? If so, then he used the Rockets. No two ways around it. And that is the worse kind of all the kind of BS there is. As for going throug hell............he never even opened the door, and has no idea what hell is! I don't mean "cause" as in, save the whales. I mean his situation with the Rockets. And yes, the situations of many other people who deal with this type of, well, situation.
One thing I don't understand is, how were the Rockets taken by surprise? Really? They didn't know? They didn't have doctors? They didn't investigate? All of this came out of nowhere? It just doesn't add up, which is why I have to think there is much we do not know about - local historians notwithstanding.
Regarding Hell, well maybe your personal Hell is worse than his. If so, I really do apologize. Sincerely. If not, then stfu.
Posting Permissions
- You may not post new threads
- You may not post replies
- You may not post attachments
- You may not edit your posts
-
Forum Rules | | |
Bookmarks